Michael Flynn’s sentencing was postponed to give him time to cooperate more fully with federal prosecutors

One year ago this month, General Michael Flynn, Donald Trump’s national security advisor, pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about conversations he’d had with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak while working on the Trump transition team, and, today, he was supposed to be sentenced. That, however, never happened.

As I understand it, things were moving along somewhat normally until someone on Flynn’s legal team, echoing a recent Fox News talking point, made the claim that FBI agents had tricked Flynn into perjuring himself during their questioning of him, ostensibly by not telling him that they already possessed audio of the General speaking with Kislyak. The idea that the FBI is under any obligation to warn suspected criminals that they’re about to commit perjury is, of course, laughable, but apparently Flynn’s team thought that they’d give it a shot. And, by the sound of it, it didn’t exactly go over well with Judge Emmet Sullivan, who asked the attorney if, in his opinion, Flynn really was “entrapped by the FBI.” Flynn’s lawyer responded, “No, your honor.” The Judge then asked Flynn if he knew at the time that lying to the FBI was a crime, to which the General responded, “I was aware.” And, with that, several months of framing by Trump, and members of the far-right media, was immediately undone… There was no so-called “perjury trap.” Flynn knew that he was lying to the FBI. He knew the penalty for lying. And he did it anyway.

Judge Sullivan didn’t stop there, though. He kept right on going, calling Flynn’s crimes, which included being an “undeclared foreign agent” for the Turkish government while working in the White House, “very serious,” and even raising the question of whether or not they might qualify as “treason.” [Sullivan later apologized for broaching the subject of treason, which can carry with it a death sentence.]

After saying, “Arguably you sold your country out,” Sullivan told Flynn that he was inclined to sentence him to prison, in spite of the fact that Special Counsel Robert Mueller had requested that he serve no time. And it was at this point, with people outside the courthouse chanting “lock him up,” that Sullivan suggested that Flynn go back to Mueller and keep cooperating. “If you want to postpone this, and come back at some later point, that’s fine with me,” Judge Sullivan said. “I have to caution you that the sentence imposed today may not be the same sentence you would get after cooperation ends.”

This, I think it’s safe to say, is not what the Qanon folks, and Trumpists like Jeanine Pirro, thought would happen today. Yesterday, Pirro was suggesting on Fox News that Judge Sullivan, who she described as “a jurist unafraid of the swamp,” would trow out Flynn’s guilty plea altogether. Sullivan, Pirro said, “has a track record of calling out prosecutorial misconduct,” and, as such, he would not “tolerate (the) injustice or (the) abuse of power” shown by the Special Counsel.

Well, that’s not what happened. Sullivan, saying that Flynn’s actions, “undermine everything (that) our flag… stands for,” pretty much told the General that he’d better go back to Mueller and keep talking. It’s impossible to know, of course, but it sounds to me as tough Sullivan felt, based on the unredacted filings that he’d read, that Flynn, even after his 19 meetings with investigators, still had more to say. And, it sounds as though, Flynn agreed, ultimately taking Sullivan’s advice, and asking for another 90 days to work with prosecutors. [Apparently he didn’t like the idea of being sentenced to prison.]

Donald Trump, by the way, had a message for General Flynn this morning. “Good luck today in court,” he said in a tweet, seemingly confident that, whatever Flynn had said to investigators over the course of those 19 interviews, hadn’t implicated him. I’m curious as to how Trump came to be so confident that Flynn hadn’t “flipped” on him, “despite (the) tremendous pressure,” but one suspects he’s being fed information from inside the Department of Justice through men like Matthew Whitaker. At any rate, it’s interesting to see how the President is treating Flynn in comparison with how he’s treating Michael Cohen, who Trump has repeatedly called a “rat” for talking with prosecutors. [I mean, Flynn talked with prosecutors 19 times, and didn’t get called a rat, right? I’m curious as to why that is.] Speaking of rats in the administration, did you happen to see Sarah Huckabee Sanders today, defending Trump’s calling Cohen a rat? “Seems like a pretty appropriate term,” the White House Spokesperson said, marking yet a new low.

So, yeah, that was today. A federal judge, saying that he was finding it difficult to hide his his “disgust” and “disdain,” told Michael Flynn that he’d “sold (his) country out.” And, in spite of this, our President, and his administration, continue to praise the man, saying that he’d been “ambushed” by the FBI, and tricked into a “perjury trap” by deep-state Democratic investigators.

Here, if you’ve yet to see it, is footage of Sarah Huckabee Sanders telling the White House press corps today, “We wish General Flynn well,” then going on to agree with the President that those who offer evidence against him are “rats”… We live in truly crazy times.

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81 Comments

  1. Kim
    Posted December 18, 2018 at 11:55 pm | Permalink

    It looks like former US Attorney Joyce Alene agrees with you.

    “[Flynn’s] lawyers tried a sentencing strategy and it misfired really badly.”

    https://twitter.com/DeadlineWH/status/1075139221143347208

  2. Demetrius
    Posted December 19, 2018 at 7:09 am | Permalink

    The New York Times also reports that, in addition to protesters chanting “Lock him up,” there was also a group of counter-protesters shouting “USA!, USA!” …

    So there, in a nutshell, is the current state of U.S. political dialogue.

  3. Eel
    Posted December 19, 2018 at 8:53 am | Permalink

    Thank you for reporting on this. Last night, on Fox News, they were just talking about the emasculation of gingerbread men.

    https://twitter.com/peltzmadeline/status/1075206666965139456

  4. Bob
    Posted December 19, 2018 at 9:37 am | Permalink

    I can only assume that it wasn’t what Mueller wanted, as he basically recommended parole for Flynn. I’m not at all convinced he has anymore to offer. Even if he told lies along the way, he was interviewed at least nineteen times. I’m afraid the judge overriding Mueller’s recommendation will have a chilling effect on potential witnesses in one of the other seventeen investigations. Lord knows there are plenty of dirty characters with stories to tell about the Trump family.

  5. Jean Henry
    Posted December 19, 2018 at 9:51 am | Permalink

    I wasn’t crazy about this decision either. The use of the language treason was unfortunate. I expect judges to be impartial. I don’t see how this guy was. And I agree with Bob (!) that it might impede cooperation by others.

  6. wobblie
    Posted December 19, 2018 at 10:27 am | Permalink

    Flynn should go to prison. His military pension should be forfeited. He swore an oath to preserve and protect the constitution–that means following the fucking law. We are going to be giving the traitor a pension for the rest of his life… He is in fact no better than Benedict Arnold who sold our country out for money–that is what Flynn did. He was an agent for a foreign power. His “business” associates are probably going to go to jail. Flynn was getting paid to turn Gullen over to the Turks (probably for a show trial and then death). There is nothing redeemable about Flynn, and those who want him to walk are simply complicit in undermining the rule of law–can’t be anymore pro-Trump than that.

    Just like with Patreous, if you serve the ruling elite, violations of the law don’t matter.

  7. wobblie
    Posted December 19, 2018 at 11:07 am | Permalink

    Just a year end reminder that our country is at war in 17 different countries. Flynn’s actions were taken during war time. We tortured and imprisoned Chelsea Manning for over 7 years because she exposed war crimes–a duty she had as a soldier (see Nurenberg standards). We dishonorably discharged Bowe Bergdahl who had the misfortune of being held captive by the Taliban for 5 years.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/america-at-war-the-countries-where-the-us-took-or-gave-fire-in-2018-2018-12?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=referral&utm_content=topbar&utm_term=desktop&referrer=facebook&fbclid=IwAR1d1yAAudKAbhCQcFDPq8AzddXrCpJ7BPdoHwzPfxJBhP-ls_QB5Ztlv9w

    Liberals with their situational ethics just want to make me puke some times.

  8. M
    Posted December 19, 2018 at 1:06 pm | Permalink

    The judge referenced bad things in the file. One can only imagine what Flynn has already told them, and what they’ve discovered as a result of this investigation. Whatever it was, it apparently spooked the judge and he second-guessed Mueller.

  9. Jennifer Rubin from the WaPo
    Posted December 19, 2018 at 1:10 pm | Permalink

    Michael Flynn learned that incorporating crackpot Trumpers’ conspiracy theories in your legal brief can get you jailed.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2018/12/19/wild-day-court-defies-expectations-flynn-trump/?utm_term=.b8a08f31a514

  10. Jean
    Posted December 19, 2018 at 2:01 pm | Permalink

    Deep State! No doubt our faithful Q fanboys and girls are diligently finding any possible link between the judge and security agencies.

  11. Jean Henry
    Posted December 19, 2018 at 2:04 pm | Permalink

    Situational ethics simply means ethics v cheap purist morality– which makes no allowance for context. Such absolutist morality is the cause of most human suffering.

  12. Anonymous
    Posted December 19, 2018 at 2:54 pm | Permalink

    HW, what is the Q take on yesterday’s turn of events?

  13. John Brown
    Posted December 19, 2018 at 3:36 pm | Permalink

    Cheap purist morality? The expectation that traitors to the national integrity get a slap on the wrist because of their political status is part of what drove the radicalization of the right wing militias. The lying cheaters are the ones that previously demanded moral absolutism – and now is our chance to give it to them!

  14. QAnon deflation
    Posted December 19, 2018 at 3:40 pm | Permalink

    From NBC News:

    “The idea that Flynn holds a lot of secrets about the deep state and won’t face serious consequences is important to the Qanon community,” said Travis View, a conspiracy theory researcher. “They’ve been banking on Sullivan throwing out the charges.”

    In the last week, conservative media had hailed Sullivan as a hero who was about to unmask the purported misdeeds of the Mueller investigation.

    The notion that Flynn could end up exonerated found its way to Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., who guessed on Fox News Sunday this week that Flynn’s case would be thrown out of court.

    “I would not be surprised a bit if the conviction of Flynn is overturned, because of the Justice Department and FBI’s misconduct,” Issa said.

    The theory began back in February, with a series of articles onconservative news websites lauding Sullivan as a “government misconduct expert” who may be looking to get Flynn to change his plea.

    “Emmet G. Sullivan is one judge who is ready, willing and able to hold Mr. Mueller accountable to the law and who has the wherewithal to dismiss the case against General Flynn — for egregious government misconduct — if Mueller doesn’t move to dismiss it himself,” wrote lawyer Sidney Powell on the Daily Caller on Feb. 16.

    Similar articles from the same week in the Washington Examiner and National Review spawned additional speculation that Sullivan might be indicating that Flynn should change his plea.

    From there, far-right message boards and members of the Qanon conspiracy community have been “banking on Sullivan throwing out the charges,” View said.

    “This is actually one of those instances in which the conspiracy theory was sparked by respectable conservative publications, and then spread downward into the fever swamps,” View said.

    “This is different from how conspiracy theories typically spread, in which fringe forums develop a theory, and it spreads to mainstream social networks like Twitter, and then to fringe publications.”

    View said that a National Review article by Andrew McCarthy on Feb. 13 was a major catalyst for believers that Sullivan would vacate Flynn’s plea, even if that wasn’t McCarthy’s intention.

  15. Jean Henry
    Posted December 19, 2018 at 4:16 pm | Permalink

    John Brown– people who cooperate with major investigations get a lot of accommodation if they help take down the big guys. Not just the fancy guys. And not just the noble ones. My objection, to be clear, was going against Mueller’s rec (which is unusual and MORE punitive) and the use of the word treason, which is extreme base don what we know. It’s possible something in the files led the judge to that conclusion as Mark suggests.

    You misunderstand my point about absolutist moralism. I’ve made it here many times, in many contexts. Dont have time for it again. I would say our righteous outrage makes us vulnerable to manipulation (a mark) based on strongly held beliefs. We have learned that and should, at the minimum, be examining our own righteousness.

  16. Bob
    Posted December 19, 2018 at 4:53 pm | Permalink

    Don’t get me wrong. They could put Flynn in front of a firing squad for all I care. I don’t even support the death penalty or consider myself a great patriot but fuck that guy. His treason is even deeply offensive to a guy like me. More than anyone in the Trump cartel, that guy is the worst. A career military man who fought the cold war and sold his soul to Russia. It’s insane.

  17. Jean Henry
    Posted December 19, 2018 at 5:13 pm | Permalink

    Flynn’s sister,a twitterer who has signaled fealty to Qanon theories (thanks to HW for that) and pushed the framed narrative (no surprise there) is mysteriously silent post-verdict. https://twitter.com/barbararedgate?lang=en

  18. Jean Henry
    Posted December 19, 2018 at 5:16 pm | Permalink

    I also have no particular feeling for Michael Flynn. He’s an ass. I’m just more interested in the bigger fish. I also prefer our judicial system perform as designed, which is to not be rigid but to have great flexibility as well as checks and balances, in which everyone is supposed to have representation…. ie situational ethics…

  19. John Brown
    Posted December 19, 2018 at 5:37 pm | Permalink

    I’m with Bob. Cohen and Flynn’s big plea break should be life in prison instead of firing squad. Leniency with the small fish sets the bar lower for the big fish

  20. iRobert
    Posted December 19, 2018 at 6:36 pm | Permalink

    I’m not very happy with the service we are getting from our resident Q-anon representative, HW. Can we ask for a new one?

  21. Jean Henry
    Posted December 19, 2018 at 7:22 pm | Permalink

    John Brown— knowing as you do who ends up in person in our society, this statement is problematic:’ Leniency with the small fish sets the bar lower for the big fish‘

    You are suddenly tough on crime?

    It’s not a good idea to be selective about one’s application of ideas of justice.

  22. Jean Henry
    Posted December 19, 2018 at 7:23 pm | Permalink

    * ‘prison’ not person….

  23. Sad
    Posted December 19, 2018 at 8:13 pm | Permalink

    Be careful, the genuine HW has a very high IQ.

  24. iRobert
    Posted December 19, 2018 at 8:19 pm | Permalink

    I put HW’s name in for a possible appointment to the Trump cabinet. The vacancies are becoming increasingly difficult to fill. I assume that’s because standards are continuously going up and there are just fewer and fewer people who meet the level of excellence required. It’s amazing. I mean I knew America was going to be becoming great again, but I didn’t realize just how great.

  25. Sad
    Posted December 19, 2018 at 8:33 pm | Permalink

    HW for chief of staff!

    The current guy is just a place holder.

    I wonder how HW feels about public service?

  26. iRobert
    Posted December 19, 2018 at 8:40 pm | Permalink

    …and I’m so proud of our uber-patriotic Republicans. The way they’ve chosen to preserve and protect our nations institutions, rather than kiss the ass of a prostitute and porn-star fucking mobster clown for cheap partisan gain, has so clearly denonstrated their amazing devotion to country. It brings a tear to my eye, I’m so moved by the depth of their devotion and integrity.

  27. Sad
    Posted December 19, 2018 at 8:43 pm | Permalink

    Gas is cheap. You have to give them that.

  28. iRobert
    Posted December 19, 2018 at 8:45 pm | Permalink

    I’m sorry, Sad, but it’s not up to HW. He MUST serve this president! There is a grand plan here. Regardless of how HW feels about personally serving, he has to do it! It’s what Trump would want, and he’s the only one who knows the grand plan. We need a “Draft HW!” campaign.

  29. iRobert
    Posted December 19, 2018 at 8:51 pm | Permalink

    You have a point, Sad. $2.15 per gallon is really all America needs. The rest is icing, really.

    I hope HW is alright. Can we get a welfare check on him. I’m sure he’s just unconscious, face-down, in his trailer. But I’d still just feel better if I knew he was still breathing.

  30. Sad
    Posted December 19, 2018 at 8:54 pm | Permalink

    I could see HW and Stephen Miller really liking each other. Like a buddy movie. Two smart creative guys setting the ship straight for captain Trump.

    Oh no. I’ve been a derp again. Shoot!

  31. iRobert
    Posted December 19, 2018 at 8:54 pm | Permalink

    FF, are you out there? Could you go over to HW’s trailer and make sure he’s still breathing. You’ll find him face-down on the shag carpet in front of the TV.

  32. iRobert
    Posted December 19, 2018 at 8:58 pm | Permalink

    I’m embarrassed to ask, but a derp is that weird cartooning style which just looks like a drunk guy with no artistic talent tried to draw a human head, right?

    I just want to make sure I’m on the same page with HW. I’d like to understand the world as well as he does. I’ve got a lot of catching up to do.

  33. iRobert
    Posted December 19, 2018 at 9:02 pm | Permalink

    Christmas is only a few days away. Are we going to pool our money and see if we can get Jean a sense of humor?

  34. Sad
    Posted December 19, 2018 at 9:05 pm | Permalink

    Speaking of FF. I can’t look here too much, but did FF say the other day that they wrote 14 books? Or was that me dreaming?

    It thought derp was from my little pony?

  35. iRobert
    Posted December 19, 2018 at 9:08 pm | Permalink

    I think we might have lost FF for good, to be honest. He posted a really well written and reasoned essay the other day. I think he might have read his own post and realized he’s too intelligent to be frequenting Mark’s blog.

  36. Jean Henry
    Posted December 19, 2018 at 10:59 pm | Permalink

    IRobert loves FF when he denies we live in a white supremacist and patriarchal culture and argues that addressing racism creates racism. Classic. I’m laughing iRobert. And I thought Fake HW and Fake FF and Fake Anonimous were funny too. I have never found you funny. I guess that’s the problem. Sorry I can’t be one of the boys.

  37. iRobert
    Posted December 20, 2018 at 5:18 am | Permalink

    Jean, you’re one of the boys alright. More so than any of the rest of us could ever be.

    So, are you saying you wouldnt accept the gift of humor even if we were able to find a doctor that could perform the funny-bone implantation operation for you?

  38. iRobert
    Posted December 20, 2018 at 5:30 am | Permalink

    Are you saying you’d prefer a gift basket?

  39. Jean Henry
    Posted December 20, 2018 at 6:44 am | Permalink

    Still not funny, iRobert. It’s not that I’m humorless; it’s just that your posts are.

    PS I laugh at racism and sexism all the time. In acknowledgment of it, not denial. I’m sorry talking about these issues makes you so uncomfortable that you feel a need to lash out. And then try to draw in others for the bullying by saying “Ha, Ha, this person I disagree with has no sense of humor. Oh and she’s not feminine enough (doesn’t fulfill gender stereotypes created to make men feel more at ease)! Quick everyone point and laugh.”

    You too, iRobert, are corrupt without being charming. I’m happy to be a thorn in your side.

  40. John Brown
    Posted December 20, 2018 at 7:29 am | Permalink

    Jean, yeah I’m tough on treason and undermining democracy. Don’t let relativism turn us into the frog in the pot. Eventually will be boiled if there’s no hard line drawn about what abuses of democracy are unacceptable.

  41. Frosted Flakes
    Posted December 20, 2018 at 8:30 am | Permalink

    “IRobert loves FF when he denies we live in a white supremacist and patriarchal culture and argues that addressing racism creates racism. “–JH

    “Systemic racism is an obvious fact”–FF

    “Jean often employs the logic of bigotry.”–FF

    Jean, much of what I write here is attempt to highlight and address the bigot-logic underlying many of the expressions on MM.com, because it is my belief that bigot-logic is the lifeblood of many the world’s evils such as racism and sexism.

    Didn’t we just finish having a long discussion about this? Do you have severe memory issues? I would have responded last night but I assumed you were drunk. It is the morning time and you seem to be making the same type of false statements. Although, I hope you are not drunk at 6:44 am, at least you would have an excuse.

  42. iRobert
    Posted December 20, 2018 at 8:42 am | Permalink

    So, that’s a no on the gift basket as well? Boy, you’re hard to gift shop for, Jean.

  43. Jean Henry
    Posted December 20, 2018 at 8:53 am | Permalink

    John Brown— agreed. But evidence of treason is not apparent. Lying to the fbi is. People do that fairly regularly… and my question related to your unwillingness to co super lighter sentences in order to catch bigger fish.
    Sigh.

  44. Jean Henry
    Posted December 20, 2018 at 8:55 am | Permalink

    It seems reductionist thinking paired with righteous outrage is the new relativism.

  45. iRobert
    Posted December 20, 2018 at 10:14 am | Permalink

    I especially love FF when he denies we live in a white supremacist and patriarchal culture and argues that addressing racism creates racism. Jean called that one right on the money. I don’t know how she does it. She seems to know us better than we know ourselves. It’s a little spooky.

  46. iRobert
    Posted December 20, 2018 at 10:26 am | Permalink

    I’ve been trying to picture what the monument to Jean is going to look like. You know, the one they will put in the national mall in D.C. to honor the extraordinary work Jean’s done here on this blog fighting the tide of pro-racism, pro-Hitler, pro-rape sentiment.

    I’m assuming there will also be a small memorial nearby dedicated to the sense-of-humor.

  47. Sad
    Posted December 20, 2018 at 10:33 am | Permalink

    Are you going to let him insult you like that?

  48. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 20, 2018 at 5:00 pm | Permalink

    That’s hilarious you quoted the judge’s mistake about Flynn working for Turkey while working at the White House. How embarrassing it must be for a judge to not know wtf they are talking about especially in such a high profile case. The prosecutors are not trying to say it was during his White House tenure.

  49. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 20, 2018 at 5:17 pm | Permalink

    The mention of treason is very interesting to patriots. What entity that has been in the news again recently might be tied up in activities that would actually fit the bill?

  50. Bob
    Posted December 20, 2018 at 5:57 pm | Permalink

    And Mattis just suddenly quit. Or was fired. Which the infant in Chief informed us by tweet. Our country is in a dangerous freefall. I don’t care how conservative you are, if you are still defending this lunatic, you are a fucking idiot. You shouldn’t be allowed to vote or drive a car or use vegetable peeler. Warlord, I’m talking to you.

  51. Jean Henry
    Posted December 20, 2018 at 6:27 pm | Permalink

    https://www.vox.com/2018/12/20/18150826/james-mattis-resigns-letter-trump-read

    It was a resignation in protest, clearly.

    Bob– HW has a kid, who he is ‘educating.’

  52. Jean Henry
    Posted December 20, 2018 at 6:31 pm | Permalink

    Sad– I am here for the insults. I don’t mind being a target. iRobert said nothing I feel a need to defend myself against. I only do so if it helps me work out my thinking. I’m not here to change his mind or anyone’s. I’m foolish enough to be here but not that foolish. I stand by what I say. I don’t need to hide behind a fake name.

  53. Sad
    Posted December 20, 2018 at 6:38 pm | Permalink

    Will the generals departure further tank my 401k ? I don’t get upset about much but the way my money is starting to vanish is a little bit upsetting.

    HW aren’t you worried about your portfolio?

  54. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 20, 2018 at 6:55 pm | Permalink

    “Bob
    Posted December 20, 2018 at 5:57 pm | Permalink
    And Mattis just suddenly quit. Or was fired. Which the infant in Chief informed us by tweet. Our country is in a dangerous freefall. I don’t care how conservative you are, if you are still defending this lunatic, you are a fucking idiot. You shouldn’t be allowed to vote or drive a car or use vegetable peeler. Warlord, I’m talking to you.”

    Haha, settle down there, crazy guy.

  55. Sad
    Posted December 20, 2018 at 7:04 pm | Permalink

    Are you going to let him demean you like that?

  56. Bob
    Posted December 20, 2018 at 7:05 pm | Permalink

    You really are a moron. Even the Republicans are in shock. Grow up, pea-brain.

  57. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 20, 2018 at 7:15 pm | Permalink

    I’m not a Republican. I think for myself. Who is the fucking moron? Waaah! Can’t have war in Syria any more!!!

  58. Sad
    Posted December 20, 2018 at 7:29 pm | Permalink

    HW is from a high IQ family.

    Maybe we just aren’t getting the big picture?

  59. Hyborian Warlord.
    Posted December 20, 2018 at 7:57 pm | Permalink

    Sorry losers and haters, but my I.Q. is one of the highest -and you all know it! Please don’t feel so stupid or insecure,it’s not your fault

  60. Sad
    Posted December 20, 2018 at 8:06 pm | Permalink

    You aren’t even a little bothered by the generals abrupt departure?

    I’m used to feeling stupid. It’s OK. Not everyone can be so smart.

  61. Hyborian Warlord.
    Posted December 20, 2018 at 8:09 pm | Permalink

    I’m speaking with myself, number one, because I have a very good brain. My primary consultant is myself, and I have a good instinct for this stuff.

  62. Hyborian Warlord.
    Posted December 20, 2018 at 8:11 pm | Permalink

    Tell yourself that you are a genius. Right away you will probably wonder why and in what way you are a genius. And right away, you will have opened your mind up to wonder—and to asking questions. That’s a big first step to thinking like a genius.

  63. Sad
    Posted December 20, 2018 at 8:45 pm | Permalink

    The real HW doesn’t talk like that.

    Is this Dirty Dirty Pete? Or Bark Baynord?

  64. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 20, 2018 at 8:50 pm | Permalink

    I am in your head so fuckin’ bad.

  65. Hyborian Warlord.
    Posted December 20, 2018 at 9:43 pm | Permalink

    You’re making a mistake because I have a gut, and my gut tells me more sometimes than anybody else’s brain can ever tell me.

  66. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 20, 2018 at 9:58 pm | Permalink

    Rotten Peter
    Rotten Peter
    Rotten Peter

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KNQFGU1qj0

  67. Sad
    Posted December 20, 2018 at 10:20 pm | Permalink

    Am I really going to put up with this?

  68. Sad
    Posted December 21, 2018 at 4:08 am | Permalink

    Merry Christmas to EOS, HW and FF.

    You’re getting what you’ve always wanted.

    Now it’s just King Trump and his Family .

  69. Bob
    Posted December 21, 2018 at 6:23 am | Permalink

    HW, I think the only head your in (or getting) is your own. I’m pretty sure you really are just a sad little person living in your mothers basement, trolling right-wing blogs for nonsense you can cut and paste. I have conservative friends whom I disagree with but respect. Even they can’t defend Trump anymore. There is no plan to his actions. There is no logic. There is no good outcome possible. You are just a reactionary turd of a human whose self-loathing seems to be bottomless. You just love the chaos and abuse. So merry Christmas. I hope this post gives you a chub. I hope you get some help in the new year and find some love.

  70. Hyborian Warlord.
    Posted December 21, 2018 at 6:50 am | Permalink

    What’s going on in this country is insane. And we have people running our country that don’t know what they’re doing, they’re grossly incompetent, and it’s time. We have to make change, real change. Not Obama change, we have to make change.

  71. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 21, 2018 at 7:34 am | Permalink

    Bob, nothing you said has anything to do with me. I live in my own home that I bought. I don’t care about you or your conservative friends. I don’t need “help” and I have plenty of love in my life. You sound insane with hatred.

  72. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 21, 2018 at 7:42 am | Permalink

    “Hyborian Warlord.
    Posted December 21, 2018 at 6:50 am | Permalink
    What’s going on in this country is insane. And we have people running our country that don’t know what they’re doing, they’re grossly incompetent, and it’s time. We have to make change, real change. Not Obama change, we have to make change.”

    Dirty Peter technically satisfying the requirements again. How can you stand to be on another man’s jock like this all the time? You must think about me 24/7.

  73. Jean Henry
    Posted December 21, 2018 at 9:02 am | Permalink

    HW– What makes you so sure it’s Pete? I have heard otherwise. Keep guessing.

  74. Jean Henry
    Posted December 21, 2018 at 9:10 am | Permalink

    It sure seems like HW. is just having a bit of fun, and HW is the one whose head has been populated. So much so it’s gone to his gut. Pete’s long gone and HW is still thinking about him 24/7.

  75. Bob
    Posted December 21, 2018 at 9:15 am | Permalink

    Warlord. I don’t believe you.

  76. Jean Henry
    Posted December 21, 2018 at 9:29 am | Permalink

    Bob, it’s somewhat sweet and naive that you imagine abusive, paranoid assholes don’t find women to love them. Not true in my experience, however. I think we’d all like to believe the world is more just and outcomes are more warranted than they are.

  77. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 21, 2018 at 10:19 am | Permalink

    It’s Dirty Peter or it’s someone behaving just like him. Either way it’s ill.

  78. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 21, 2018 at 10:23 am | Permalink

    You are one of the most abusive people I have found online, Jean. It’s sick what you do and then project the same onto someone who you hate for having a different outlook. How is it abusive to defend myself against your abuse? You made a conscious decision to declare war against me. You can’t bitch out now because I decided to begin defending myself.

  79. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 21, 2018 at 10:28 am | Permalink

    “Warlord. I don’t believe you.”

    You don’t believe I have a beautiful home and a loving companion? Believe what you want if it relieves the cognitive dissonance.

  80. Jean Henry
    Posted December 21, 2018 at 10:30 am | Permalink

    “I know you are but what am I?”

    “I’m rubber, you are glue, whatever you say bounces of me and sticks on you.”

    HW special sauce is circular logic + 7th grade level provocation.

    I wouldn’t, however, insult 7th graders by comparing HW’s intelligence and discernment to theirs.

  81. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 21, 2018 at 10:39 am | Permalink

    No, no. Objectively you accuse me of what you are guilty of. It’s a fact. You and many others attacked me from the very start when I only stated my opinion backed up with facts. That’s all I did when I came here and you all started yapping at me like a pack of hyenas. I thought grown men and women in this town would be capable of discussing current events but you turned it into a personal war against me. It’s all on record what you did so I don’t see the point in trying to lie.

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