Donald Trump, identified as “Individual 1” in court filings, is implicated in campaign finance felonies

This coming Wednesday, Donald Trump’s former personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, is scheduled to be sentenced on the several criminal counts that he’s admitted guilt to over the past year, from bank fraud to lying to federal investigators looking into possible collusion between Donald Trump’s presidential campaign and the Russians. Today, in advance of that court ruling, both Robert Mueller and the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York issued sentencing memos, recommending to the court what kind of prison sentence they believe Cohen should receive.

While the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York is pushing for Cohen to receive “substantial” prison time, suggesting the possibly 3½ years, the real story seems to be that our President, as of today, has been officially implicated in two felony counts. Here, with more on that, is an excerpt from this evening’s Washington Post.

…The memo from New York prosecutors identifies three people at an August 2014 meeting: Cohen, “Individual 1” and “Chairman 1.” The document elsewhere identifies Individual 1 as Trump, and people familiar with the case said Chairman 1 is David Pecker of the National Enquirer.

“In August 2014, Chairman-1 had met with Cohen and Individual-1, and had offered to help deal with negative stories about Individual-1’s relationships with women by identifying such stories so that they could be purchased and ‘killed,’­ ” the prosecutors’ memorandum says.

Cohen pleaded guilty in August to violating campaign finance law when he arranged payments to an adult-film star during the 2016 election. At the same time, he pleaded guilty to a handful of other crimes, including making a false statement to a bank. In recent weeks, he pleaded guilty to lying to Congress about efforts during the presidential campaign to get a Trump-branded tower built in Moscow…

So, Donald Trump, we now know, gave the word to Cohen to violate campaign finance law and pay off his former lovers. Here, explaining why this is significant, are short video clips of Rachel Maddow, Congressman Ted Lieu, and former U.S. Acting Solicitor General Neal Katyal.

As Katyal says, “For the first time you have Federal Prosecutors essentially saying that Donald Trump committed a felony.”

Donald Trump, however, appears to see it differently. No sooner did news about these sentencing memos break, than he tweeted out a bizarre message, stating that he’d been “totally cleared.” For what it’s worth, as noted above, he hasn’t been. Not by a long shot. He was actually identified as “Individual 1,” and evidence exists, according to the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York, that he committed campaign finance felonies when he instructed his fixer, Michael Cohen, to proceed with the payoffs to the women in question. [Trump has yet to be indicted for these crimes, likely because the DOJ seems to be of the opinion that a sitting president cannot be indicted, but one would expect that Mueller’s final report will suggest that Congress take action to impeach Donald Trump. Regardless, he will likely face these charges when he leaves office, however that comes to pass.]

Here, America, is the terrified, delusional lunatic you elected to be your president.

One last note… It’s interesting, I think, that The Atlantic tonight is speculating as to what Trump might do when he starts running out of options. “From seizing control of the internet to declaring martial law, President Trump may legally do all kinds of extraordinary things,” they report. And, really, given what we know of Trump, there’s no reason to expect that he might leave office gracefully in hopes of sparing us the civil war, is there?

[If you’d like to read today’s sentencing memos, you can find them here: Mueller, U.S. Attorney.]

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170 Comments

  1. John Brown
    Posted December 8, 2018 at 9:01 am | Permalink

    And this is clearly just the tip of the iceberg. But all the faulty thinkers who have been weaponized will remain immune to this information and double down on whatever version of magical thinking that got him their vote in the first place. We will clearly demonstrate that all which was surmisable prior to the election was true, and nonetheless remain in an existential struggle for the survival of our democracy. We’re no where near the finish line, but just getting warmed up in the early miles of a marathon struggle against Idiocracy.

  2. Bob
    Posted December 8, 2018 at 9:44 am | Permalink

    I think the most intriguing theory is that Mueller has sealed indictments waiting for Trump that will be opened when he exits office and isn’t immune from full prosecution.

  3. Jean Henry
    Posted December 8, 2018 at 10:01 am | Permalink

    I think that’s likely Bob. But I also think he may push in his report for impeachment. If only to expedite the time when Trump is available for prosecution. Also critical is any state law indictments, since he can’t pardon himself out of those. I eagerly await a Trump perp walk, even while knowing it’s unlikely– all things being unequal.

  4. Jean Henry
    Posted December 8, 2018 at 10:03 am | Permalink

    HW eagerly anticipates the imposition of Martial Law, like some kind of rapture.

  5. Jean Henry
    Posted December 8, 2018 at 10:06 am | Permalink

    I know enough Trump supporter to belive that civil war isn’t going to happen if we prosecute this thing diligently and as apolitically as possible which Mueller is doing. They mostly think Trump is being unfairly targeted (thanks Fox News) but would be swayed to at least passivity to actual proof of corruption, especially visa vi the Russians. That said, I don’t think paying off a porn star is enough to get over that bar.

  6. Jean Henry
    Posted December 8, 2018 at 10:08 am | Permalink

    Sorry for auto-correct/bad typing word salad… I should just make pancakes and stop holding forth…

  7. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 8, 2018 at 10:11 am | Permalink

    As long as the protests over Hillary’s arrest are peaceful I don’t see why martial law should be imposed.

  8. lynne
    Posted December 8, 2018 at 11:26 am | Permalink

    I am totally fine with Trump deluding himself over this right up until the hammer comes down. He is petty and vindictive and has a LOT of power. Better to keep him feeling secure right up to the moment he is impeached or loses the election.

  9. Bob
    Posted December 8, 2018 at 2:22 pm | Permalink

    I find it hard to believe that Pence isn’t named by Flynn. He almost certainly had first-hand knowledge of the Trump Tower meeting. I just don’t want to see that shit bird sworn in to office for even one day.

  10. anonimal
    Posted December 8, 2018 at 7:54 pm | Permalink

    @HW
    If Trump can prove that HRC did something wrong I wouldn’t care if she got arrested. I don’t think many liberals would, because frankly she didn’t win. That said, I’ve yet to hear anything that would require her arrest.

    But if Trump gets arrested, I’m expecting you are crawl out of mom’s basement and go full Sandy Hook, evidence be damned (unless that was a false flag? Quick, google shit!).

  11. anonimal
    Posted December 8, 2018 at 8:12 pm | Permalink

    @HW
    I forgot, the Comey hearings just happened. Whats your prediction again? The indictments come this week right? I’m pretty sure you thought this would be the beginning of the end. So gimme a prediction, past proves present

  12. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 9, 2018 at 10:12 am | Permalink

    Are you insinuating I said indictments come this week? What drives your obsession with misrepresentation?

    I’m glad you won’t be mad to have to ditch your loser (nice loyalty there.) That’s funny that losing is the only thing you see wrong about her though. Don’t you pay attention to current events? Whistleblowers including their CFO are speaking with the Clinton Foundation investigation.

  13. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 9, 2018 at 10:19 am | Permalink

    Maybe when the storm hits you can crawl back up your mom’s asshole where you came from.

  14. Sad
    Posted December 9, 2018 at 10:30 am | Permalink

    That’s not where babies come from HW.

    No wonder you’re so wrong so often. That’s pretty basic stuff.

  15. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 9, 2018 at 10:50 am | Permalink

    Well, he said his parents were pieces of shit so I’m going based on that.

  16. EOS
    Posted December 9, 2018 at 11:55 am | Permalink

    You guys are reaching. Where is the collusion with Russia to influence the Presidential election? That’s what Mueller was supposed to be looking for. Now its morphed to campaign finance violations, except it was Trump’s personal funds.

    I’m with HW on this one, waiting for the Uranium One indictments, among others.

  17. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 9, 2018 at 12:58 pm | Permalink

    Right on, EOS. Shit is heating up on their people. Thousands of pages of documents on the CF provided to investigators but it’s nothing to worry about.

    “So gimme a prediction, past proves present”

    Haha, it’s ‘future proves past.’ You wouldn’t know that because you don’t know shit. I have given you everything you need to find out what Q is but you don’t want to know. Okay, good for you. Let’s see how it plays out and who is the mega fucking idiot.

  18. Sad
    Posted December 9, 2018 at 2:59 pm | Permalink

    EOS did you object when Whitewater went astray?

    It’s all in the game.

    Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time.

  19. EOS
    Posted December 9, 2018 at 4:20 pm | Permalink

    @Sad – Yes, I did. Whitewater was the crime, Monica was the distraction that derailed the prosecution.

    This time, the Clintons again committed the crimes , as well as a host of others in the Obama administration, and Trump’s witchhunt is the distraction.

    The collusion with the Russians was Bill getting $500 K and Putin getting 20% of U.S. Uranium. The deal was approved by the State Department when Hilliary was at the helm.

  20. John Brown
    Posted December 9, 2018 at 5:39 pm | Permalink

    “there’s no reason to expect that he might leave office gracefully in hopes of sparing us the civil war, is there?”

    No there isn’t.

    https://www.sportsmansoutdoorsuperstore.com/products2.cfm/ID/166590/10202/smith-and-wesson-mp15-sport-ii-new-5.56mm-rifle-with-dust-cover-and-forward-assist

  21. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 9, 2018 at 6:06 pm | Permalink

    Ooh, scary militant left wing extremist.

  22. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 9, 2018 at 6:13 pm | Permalink

    It’s good you do it because it shows how you do nothing but psychologically project. You are the nut jobs.

  23. Sad
    Posted December 9, 2018 at 7:32 pm | Permalink

    We’re just nutty by nature!

    https://youtu.be/idx3GSL2KWs

  24. anonimal
    Posted December 9, 2018 at 8:01 pm | Permalink

    @HW
    I’m pretty sure most of us know who you are, which means we also know that you live with your parents. I have no idea if your bedroom is in the basement or not. Your family is fucking terrifying and your mom has a weird Kathy Bates from Misery vibe

  25. anonimal
    Posted December 9, 2018 at 8:11 pm | Permalink

    @EOS
    At some point you know you’ll probably have to protect some group of people from @HW. Keep that concealed weapons permit up to date (I have no idea if it expires)

  26. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 9, 2018 at 8:18 pm | Permalink

    That’s good. That means you don’t know who I am.

  27. anonimal
    Posted December 9, 2018 at 8:20 pm | Permalink

    DL then?

  28. EOS
    Posted December 9, 2018 at 8:25 pm | Permalink

    @anonimal
    Yeah, I know, I keep an eye on him. Its not nice to pick on the mentally ill though

  29. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 9, 2018 at 8:26 pm | Permalink

    More like F.U., dork. That’s funny you would talk about someone’s parents who you know nothing about but you yourself said your own parents were pieces of shit.

  30. EOS
    Posted December 9, 2018 at 8:26 pm | Permalink

    @anonimal
    Yeah, I know, I keep an eye on him. Its not nice to pick on the mentally ill though

  31. anonimal
    Posted December 9, 2018 at 8:28 pm | Permalink

    Holy shit i do know who you are! Mom is what I call your mom

  32. EOS
    Posted December 9, 2018 at 8:33 pm | Permalink

    @anonimal
    I know, I keep an eye on him. Its not nice to pick on the deranged though

  33. EOS
    Posted December 9, 2018 at 8:37 pm | Permalink

    bump

  34. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 9, 2018 at 8:43 pm | Permalink

    Whoah, so we are long lost brothers are what you are saying? Neato. What happened to you that you ended up with the strange shitty parents? Never heard about any adopted brothers.

  35. anonimal
    Posted December 9, 2018 at 8:46 pm | Permalink

    Nope, I just call her mom

  36. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 9, 2018 at 8:53 pm | Permalink

    I would want someone else’s mom too if I was you.

  37. anonimal
    Posted December 9, 2018 at 8:59 pm | Permalink

    I’ve wanted, and had, a lot of moms in my day.

  38. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 9, 2018 at 9:11 pm | Permalink

    You have had a lot of your mom’s…what? Creepier and creepier. Everything you do makes your buddy’s site look shitty so good job.

  39. anonimal
    Posted December 9, 2018 at 9:19 pm | Permalink

    I’m funnier than you DL/HW, better luck next time.

    Mark isn’t my buddy, we’ve met but he wouldn’t remember me. I’d prefer he shut down the comment section. Just illustrating the point

  40. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 9, 2018 at 9:21 pm | Permalink

    Yeah, let’s say we did his mom. That will be cool! Maybe he will get mad and we can be like See! He’s a threat to society!!! He’s volatile! Why he’s likely to…blow up for no reason at any time!!!

  41. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 9, 2018 at 9:25 pm | Permalink

    I don’t know who DL is but you can take all this shit you are saying and put back it up their ass where I guess you found it for all I care. I think to be funny in a trash talk context you have to have something real to hang your hat on and you just whiffed on having that.

  42. anonimal
    Posted December 9, 2018 at 9:27 pm | Permalink

    Still funnier than you.

  43. anonimal
    Posted December 9, 2018 at 9:28 pm | Permalink

    It could be painful if I put it all back in there. You better get lubed up bud.

  44. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 9, 2018 at 9:38 pm | Permalink

    Hey if you want to put something up DL that is between you two. Don’t know why you are talking to me about it.

  45. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 9, 2018 at 9:43 pm | Permalink

    Why don’t you contact DL and be like “Hey I think you are HW on MM. You said I should shove what I said up your ass! So what’s up bitch!”

  46. anonimal
    Posted December 9, 2018 at 9:43 pm | Permalink

    You

    Still

    Aren’t

    Funny

  47. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 9, 2018 at 9:48 pm | Permalink

    Whoah an acronym! YSAF.

    Rearrange the letters and it looks something like:

    You

    Aren’t

    Fuckin’

    Shit

  48. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 9, 2018 at 9:49 pm | Permalink

    I am Hyborian Warlord

  49. anonimal
    Posted December 9, 2018 at 9:50 pm | Permalink

    You

    Ain’t

    Never

    Fucked

  50. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 9, 2018 at 9:54 pm | Permalink

    You broke the convention, dumbass. God damn this shit is moronic. I like seeing maynardites do it because it makes you look bad and probably drives people away.

  51. anonimal
    Posted December 9, 2018 at 9:59 pm | Permalink

    Its a format, not a convention

    You’re maynardite #1 by volume

  52. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 9, 2018 at 10:02 pm | Permalink

    Maynardites by definition agree with his posts.

  53. anonimal
    Posted December 9, 2018 at 10:12 pm | Permalink

    Nope, they’re obsessed with his blog

  54. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 9, 2018 at 10:34 pm | Permalink

    More like you/they are obsessed with me. You always talk about me when I’m not even posting. Oh I wonder what HW will say about this! I post here to destroy the constant lies. At first I just wanted to talk but the maynardites decided it would be a good idea to attack me. Now you beg me to leave and make crude sexual insinuations out of desperation.

  55. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 9, 2018 at 10:38 pm | Permalink

    No, you’re the own who’s obsessedbest new porn gifs

  56. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 9, 2018 at 10:39 pm | Permalink

    @MM Please take that comment down

  57. anonimal
    Posted December 9, 2018 at 10:51 pm | Permalink

    I know you are but what am I?

  58. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 9, 2018 at 10:54 pm | Permalink

    “Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 9, 2018 at 10:38 pm | Permalink
    No, you’re the own who’s obsessedbest new porn gifs
    Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 9, 2018 at 10:39 pm | Permalink
    @MM Please take that comment down”

    I did not post either of these posts. Dirty little tricks won’t do shit for you. Clearly it is you who are obsessed. You even want to assume my identity.

  59. anonimal
    Posted December 9, 2018 at 11:02 pm | Permalink

    LMFAO, that might be the case, but it wasn’t me.

  60. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 9, 2018 at 11:05 pm | Permalink

    Yeah right, I know who really are, and when Trump comes for you after the 5000 unsealed indictments are revealed, then everyone else will too

  61. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 9, 2018 at 11:09 pm | Permalink

    There are only like a dozen of you and half are Dirt Eater Larson aliases.

  62. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 9, 2018 at 11:12 pm | Permalink

    “Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 9, 2018 at 11:05 pm | Permalink
    Yeah right, I know who really are, and when Trump comes for you after the 5000 unsealed indictments are revealed, then everyone else will too”

    Another bogus post I did not write. Hey I can do that to you too if I want. You are so desperate now. It’s great to see.

  63. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 9, 2018 at 11:22 pm | Permalink

    “Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 9, 2018 at 11:09 pm | Permalink
    There are only like a dozen of you and half are Dirt Eater Larson aliases.”

    Nor this one, you are truly showing your true desparate colors

  64. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 9, 2018 at 11:40 pm | Permalink

    Fuck you, stop! Your dirty tricks wont work and will only make me stronger. They will come for you, its not 5000 but 25000 unsealed indictments!

  65. EOS
    Posted December 10, 2018 at 5:03 am | Permalink

    I did not reply to anonimal. The last two posts in my name were not mine.

  66. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 10, 2018 at 8:30 am | Permalink

    What a shit-head, huh? The one about Dirt Eater Larson was in fact mine. Is there a bigger piece of shit around town?

  67. anonimal
    Posted December 10, 2018 at 8:33 am | Permalink

    As much as I don’t like HW or EOS, I wasn’t on here last night either.

  68. EOS
    Posted December 10, 2018 at 9:17 am | Permalink

    It was somebody who regularly posts under a different name on this site, because there was a delay before it was posted. Not cool.

  69. Jean Henry
    Posted December 10, 2018 at 9:45 am | Permalink

    Ha! I think this is fantastic. You don’t have any inalienable right to your fake names. I can’t believe no one thought to troll you all this way before. I had a nightmare the other night where I realized all MM commenters were parody accounts and I was responding earnestly to them. Actually, it was a fantasy. I would prefer that many of you didn’t mean what you write. Unfortunately, I think the only thing fake about you is your names. Until now. This is awesome. Some deeply disruptive shit. PS Go ahead and post under my real name, shape shifting trickster. I don’t care. I’m sure I should, but I don’t. This comment section is really inconsequential, increasingly so. Blowing it up isn’t a bad idea at this point.

  70. Frosted Flakes
    Posted December 10, 2018 at 10:08 am | Permalink

    Are these men the Nazi’s Walter?

    No, Donny these men are nihilists, there is nothing to be afraid of.

    Are these men going to hurt us?

    No, Donny these men are cowards.

  71. Jean Henry
    Posted December 10, 2018 at 10:22 am | Permalink

    Hey kids– stop reading this and call, write or email Gov Snyder and ask him to salvage his legacy, respect the will of the voters, and veto the regressive and lame, lame duck bills.

    Call Governor Snyder: 517-373-3400
    Governor Rick Snyder
    P.O. Box 30013
    Lansing, Michigan 48909
    Email: governorsoffice@michigan.gov

    https://www.lansingstatejournal.com/story/opinion/editorials/2018/12/09/editorial-gov-snyder-must-stand-up-people-michigan/2239670002/

  72. Frosted Flakes
    Posted December 10, 2018 at 10:29 am | Permalink

    Frosted Flakes
    Posted December 10, 2018 at 10:08 am | Permalink
    Are these men the Nazi’s Walter?

    No, Donny these men are nihilists, there is nothing to be afraid of.

    Are these men going to hurt us?

    No, Donny these men are cowards.

    While I appreciate the comment, that wasn’t me. Fuck this guy

  73. Frosted Flakes
    Posted December 10, 2018 at 10:48 am | Permalink

    I think posting under someone elses name is illegal!

  74. Jean Henry
    Posted December 10, 2018 at 12:50 pm | Permalink

    Fake FF– Cowards hurt people all the time. Never underestimate the pent-up externalized blame and rage of a coward.

    Hiding behind anonymity could be considered a form of cowardice that allows for a lot of anger and hurt without personal consequence.

  75. Frosted Flakes
    Posted December 10, 2018 at 2:20 pm | Permalink

    Jean,

    Walter is not exactly a wise and heroic character but he seems to have enough sense to know that Nihilism and cowardice go hand and hand.

    There is nothing fake about me. My choosing a pseudonym, which really is distinct from choosing to be anonymous, is out of a perceived necessity. Many people here are not to be trusted. Many here are dangerous. Your own praise of someone for trickery and for their repeated misrepresentation of others, in an attempt to “disrupt” dialogue, and “blow up” a space for dialogue, shows me you are a person with dark and dangerous impulses.

    Of course cowards hurt people. Donny died of a heart attack in that scene didn’t he?

    Like terrorists, nihilists are always going to have the ability to do a ton of damage. The people who want to stand-up against the senselessness of terrorism/nihilism, like Walter in that moment, have no choice but to make themselves believe their enemies acts cannot do any harm. When in fact, we all know, the senseless destruction portrayed in the film were sourced in the senseless acts of Flea and his fashion-conscious buddies.

    In this moment, when you praise this trickster garbage, you are Flea and/or one of his buddies. Weak. Cowardly. Destructive.

    Lacking integrity and not being very bright is a shameful combination.

    You can do better.

  76. Frosted Flakes
    Posted December 10, 2018 at 2:34 pm | Permalink

    Sincere apologies for the insulting language toward you Jean. I just read what I wrote and I feel ashamed. I went too far… The praise you gave for the trickery was highly disappointing to me, but I should not have thrown out insults.

  77. Frosted Flakes
    Posted December 10, 2018 at 3:53 pm | Permalink

    Hopefully it is obvious but I never said these things:

    1) “While I appreciate the comment, that wasn’t me. Fuck this guy”

    2) “I think posting under someone elses name is illegal!”

  78. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 10, 2018 at 6:57 pm | Permalink

    My mom says I’m still the best french kisser

  79. Posted December 10, 2018 at 8:20 pm | Permalink

    I cannot police what you all call yourselves. I’ve just got too much going on in my life. I will say, however, that I think it’s bad form. Sure, it can be funny, but, really, once you start going down that path, I don’t see any good coming from it. No, I’d much rather see you all using your imaginations and making up names inspired by those you’re attempting to lampoon, instead of just taking their handles. For instance, didn’t we have someone here for a while who called himself Hyperbolic Borelord? I’d much rather see that than people just pretending to be one another. That just gets too confusing.

  80. Frosted Flakes
    Posted December 10, 2018 at 9:22 pm | Permalink

    Mark is being too soft and generous. The intent is not to lampoon. The intent is to confuse, and as Jean suggested “blow up” a place for discussion.

    It is one thing if some idiot got drunk and did this late one night. This junk continued into the next day. If this garbage continues , then I think it is worse than “bad form”, it is evil.

  81. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 10, 2018 at 10:03 pm | Permalink

    We need to find out who this guy is ASAP, or he could destroy everything we’ve built here. I for one wont stand for it. Mark, if you don’t tell us exactly who is doing this, then its your fault just as much as his

  82. Stark Mayhem
    Posted December 10, 2018 at 10:06 pm | Permalink

    You call this a comment section?

    https://www.theroot.com/a-list-of-things-the-tenaha-texas-police-department-ca-1830986375

    Now this is a comment section.

  83. Frosted Flakes
    Posted December 10, 2018 at 10:26 pm | Permalink

    You aren’t wrong HW. This is our space for reasoned discussion. This person just can’t discredit us with ideas and reason, so he’s trying to buly us out of here. He is evil and must be stopped.

  84. Iron Lung
    Posted December 10, 2018 at 10:36 pm | Permalink

    Well I have returned from Haiti. That was actually quite a good tip from HW. I know he was being sarcastic but I took him up on it. The chicken down there is A-MAZ-ING.

  85. Jean Henry
    Posted December 10, 2018 at 10:40 pm | Permalink

    It’s amusing to me that I can’t tell which is real and which is a parody. And it’s telling. ” he could destroy everything we’ve built here.”– laughed out loud. I think this is genius. I enjoy the subversive. I don’t give a rat’s ass what FF thinks about that. His (paternalistic, again…) disapproval only validates my point of view. The trickery and fuckery– bring it on.

    Mark– the idea that whoever is doing this would respect your wishes is someone amusing. But, whoever they are, they can’t be held responsible for the devolution of this space. They are simply responding to it. I took the whole thing as a bit of relief. Everyone here is very certain of their perspectives. For someone to hijack and amplify that tendency is funny as hell.

    Poor FF anf HW and EOS don’t enjoy being made fun of… All the more reason to do it.

  86. Frosted Flakes
    Posted December 11, 2018 at 9:22 am | Permalink

    Jean,

    You say you can’t tell which posts are real and which posts are fake, but then you go on to say that you know how FF, HW, and EOS feel about it. (Based upon the posts you are reading?) I would accuse of not understanding logic but I think it is the case that you just choose to live in a make up world, because it is easier for you. You make stuff up whenever it is convenient for you. You can tell perfectly well which posts belong to FF, HW, and EOS and which posts don’t. You don’t think the fakes posts are good parody you just like to see things destroyed because you are part of the nihilistic and cowardly left.

    You imagine yourself to be Hannah Arendt in those black and white photos with a cigarette hanging out of your mouth typing about the necessary preconditions of totalitarianism–such as the absence of the “public sphere” and isolation “against one another’– but we all know that image really does not fit you at all does it?

    You are the intellectual and spiritual equivalent of Flea. In that moment, in the bowling alley parking lot, always about ready to get your ass kicked, metaphorically speaking, whenever any of the Walter Sabchock’s of the world choose to “kick your ass intellectually”, or anybody else for that matter.

    I will share a secret with you: The key ingredient of intelligence is honesty.

  87. Sad
    Posted December 11, 2018 at 10:03 am | Permalink

    Flea, Walter, Donny. What the hell are you talking about?

  88. Anonymous
    Posted December 11, 2018 at 10:12 am | Permalink

    Flea is the bassist for the Red Hot Chili Peppers.

  89. wobblie
    Posted December 11, 2018 at 10:14 am | Permalink

    FF, I agree that “the key ingredient of intelligence in honesty.” To those who think of Trump as their intellectual leader, According to a study released earlier this year by the European Social Survey, almost 94% of French citizens believe climate change is at least partly caused by human activity, with 73.7% believing the impacts will be bad. Unlike the US where 40% do not even believe global warming is occurring, let alone humans being responsible. Of course the French have always taken pride in their intellectual and educational “superiority” unlike Americans who have nothing but disdain for education and science. While the ignorant and dishonest right wing make shit up about the yellow shirts, they have won an increase in the minimum wage, a roll back on taxing pensions, a roll back on the elimination of luxury taxes. There next targets are the neo-liberal health care privatization scheme of Marcon and his educational “reforms”.

    Americans are such sheep.

  90. Frosted Flakes
    Posted December 11, 2018 at 10:42 am | Permalink

    “Unlike the US where 40% do not even believe global warming is occurring”

    I am pretty sure the statistics you are sharing are outdated and inaccurate, Wobblie.

  91. Anonymous
    Posted December 11, 2018 at 11:28 am | Permalink

    Why do statistics matter? I’m going with my gut, just like the president does. Screw expertise.

  92. Frosted Flakes
    Posted December 11, 2018 at 11:37 am | Permalink

    I’m sure your mom and Jean both find your comedy to be top notch.

  93. Jean Henry
    Posted December 11, 2018 at 12:20 pm | Permalink

    “The key ingredient of intelligence is honesty.” https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0176591

    PS Parody is an easily discoverable and intentional mockery– not the same thing as a lir intended to deceive. It does make a fool of people on occasion. I personally don;t mind being made a fool because I always learn something from it. It’s just another way to be wrong and so to learn. I enjoy subversion and deception, because it disrupts one’s perception and so creates new understanding. I have known a few certifiable geniuses (the kind who win prizes for same) in my life; They were all fond of a little tricksterism here and there. They were for sure all subversive. I’m trying to think of any single person with exceptional intelligence who was not subversive in their thinking. Can’t. Seems to be part of the framework. Still not the same thing as lying though. Disruptive, yes. Deceptive, not for long…

    PS Art is anything that shifts perception. Conservatives do not generally like their perception shifted. But there have been a few good conservative parodists. A few…

    PPS I have no Hannah Arendt fantasy. If I did, I wouldn’t waste my time in this forum. Yes, it’s smarter than the average social media forum on a good day. Not a super high bar though. No one here is all that smart. If they were, they wouldn’t stick around.

  94. Frosted Flakes
    Posted December 11, 2018 at 12:55 pm | Permalink

    If you think Arendt is smart, then why would you praise “blowing up” public spheres? If Arendt is right about isolation “against one another” as a precondition toward totalitarianism then why would you engage in the activity that brings about that type of isolation in such gross and shameless ways? If you thought that it was just a bit of fleeting trickstery that would quickly fade, then that is one thing, but you did not characterize the acts as such, and you praised the acts as “genius” and “fantastic”.

    You sound like a hypocrite.

  95. Anonymous
    Posted December 11, 2018 at 1:02 pm | Permalink

    Going with “your mom” kind of discredits anything intelligent you might have added.

  96. Frosted Flakes
    Posted December 11, 2018 at 1:17 pm | Permalink

    Why though?

  97. Frosted Flakes
    Posted December 11, 2018 at 1:24 pm | Permalink

    Can you cite examples?

  98. Anonymous
    Posted December 11, 2018 at 1:29 pm | Permalink

    “Going with “your mom” kind of discredits anything intelligent you might have added”

    I did not post that.

  99. Anonymous
    Posted December 11, 2018 at 1:31 pm | Permalink

    It was me who posted it

  100. Anonymous
    Posted December 11, 2018 at 1:31 pm | Permalink

    You must be standing in a hole, boy. Everything I say goes zoom, right over your head.

  101. Frosted Flakes
    Posted December 11, 2018 at 1:34 pm | Permalink

    The comments above ‘your mom’ were my comments, below that they are not. We as a community need to hold ourselves to better standards than acting as if we are better than each other. Thats what this faker is doing, assuming he has the right to assume anyones identity at any time.

  102. Outroll
    Posted December 11, 2018 at 1:44 pm | Permalink

    Haven’t you specifically praised president trump for his desire to ‘blow up’ the political sphere? That his approach is needed? Because thats effectively what he’s doing, blowing up public discourse. Also, you are constantly patronizing people on here, acting as if you are gods gift to a tiny slice of the internet. Our own William Buckley wannabee.

  103. Frosted Flakes
    Posted December 11, 2018 at 2:05 pm | Permalink

    Mark was wrong. By some sort of miracle it really it is not as confusing as you would think it would be. In order for it to be truly confusing, I think the fake poster would be required to have the intelligence to capture the truth about something. Anything.

    I guess we will just need to wait and see.

  104. wobblie
    Posted December 11, 2018 at 2:15 pm | Permalink

    FF, you are right. Only 30% of Americans deny that global warming is occurring. .”Seventy percent of Americans now accept that climate change is happening, outnumbering those who don’t by a 5 to 1 ratio, according to a new survey by the Yale Program on Climate Change Communication. More than half of those surveyed, 58 percent, said they also understand global warming is caused mostly by human activities, such as the burning of fossil fuels. ” Even with these new figures, the US population is still far behind the understanding that the French have. In that same survey only 6% think we will do anything about it.

    https://e360.yale.edu/digest/americans-who-accept-climate-change-outnumber-those-who-dont-5-to-1

  105. wobblie
    Posted December 11, 2018 at 2:28 pm | Permalink

    FF, don’t see any ANTIFA getting life sentences.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/james-a-fields-jr-sentenced-to-life-in-prison-in-charlottesville-car-attack/2018/12/11/8b205a90-fcc8-11e8-ad40-cdfd0e0dd65a_story.html?utm_term=.a52f6bd2836a

  106. Frosted Flakes
    Posted December 11, 2018 at 2:31 pm | Permalink

    No, Fake Frosted Flakes. I don’t want you to cite an example of people discrediting themselves by using “mom jokes”. I asked you to explain why you found it discrediting to my other unrelated ideas after I used a mom joke. Why?

  107. Frosted Flakes
    Posted December 11, 2018 at 2:34 pm | Permalink

    Wobblie,

    What were Deandre Harris and Corey Long doing, off camera, at 5:33, of the Durst is the worst video?

  108. Jean Henry
    Posted December 11, 2018 at 2:41 pm | Permalink

    Wait, so which comments on Arendt were yours?

  109. Frosted Flakes
    Posted December 11, 2018 at 3:54 pm | Permalink

    Jean will either respond to the comments on Arendt or she won’t. Does it matter who the comments belong to? Why?

  110. Frosted Flakes
    Posted December 11, 2018 at 5:51 pm | Permalink

    Outroll,

    What you are saying about me supporting Trump for “blowing up political spheres” does not ring a bell. I am not even sure I know what you mean though, to be honest. Public spheres for Arendt are “spaces” for acts and speech. An open access internet forum would be an example of a public sphere. Arendt thought there was a danger in the elimination of public spheres. Jean can correctly where I am wrong….

  111. Sad
    Posted December 11, 2018 at 9:06 pm | Permalink

    Is there an epic rap battle of history with Hannah Arendt and the Big Leboski? I know nothing about either. Everyone here’s so smart.

    That clip from Trump today was a classic. Go Nancy!

  112. anonimal
    Posted December 11, 2018 at 9:57 pm | Permalink

    There are multiple Fake Frosted Flakes then?

  113. Jean Henry
    Posted December 11, 2018 at 10:06 pm | Permalink

    FF– I feel sorry for you. There is no danger posed to the public sphere caused by the entrance of subversive voices and even confusion. (This is the most fun I’ve had here in ages.) In fact, Arendt has been regularly referred to as… a subversive thinker.

    What??

    I find it amusing that you are all so attached to your ideas that having them misrepresented is an affront, even in anonymity. And such an affront that it feels as though the whole enterprise is threatened when you are parodied.

    Many times people confuse the evidence of their success with evidence of their inevitable doom. Sometimes they are hard to distinguish. That may seem irrational, but then it’s a function of human feeling and also reliably true.

  114. Jean Henry
    Posted December 11, 2018 at 10:14 pm | Permalink

    Anonymous
    “Going with “your mom” kind of discredits anything intelligent you might have added”
    I did not post that.

    Anonymous
    It was me who posted it

    — Oh THAT’s too good! Someone stole Anonymous’ identity. It’s identity theft! The conservatives demand consequences! Clearly this threatens the whole enterprise. You know the whole thing ‘ they built.’

    Oh my…. I’m going to be chuckling all night.

  115. Jean Henry
    Posted December 11, 2018 at 10:25 pm | Permalink

    PS This sure looks like a binding exercise to me. So much for it increasing isolation or whatever bullshit point you were making, FF.

    Here’s a crazy idea– The future of the universe does not hang on what happens in the MM comments section. I know you are all proud of your work here, but… it’s meaningless. It’s just wheels spinning. Makes the brain happy for a little while. Strumming and fretting… signifying nothing,

    Please wag a finger and call me a corrupt hypocrite. Think that questioning logic is a threat to reason, rather than a natural result of using it and finding its limits… The pitfalls of ideology and conservativism interest me. I enjoy seeing it at work. Watching you all spin your wheels… You are right that I don’t pay much attention to what you are actually saying… It’s all right there to be observed between the lines.

  116. Anonymous
    Posted December 11, 2018 at 10:41 pm | Permalink

    This is going to cause more confusion than a mouse in a burlesque show.

  117. Frosted Flakes
    Posted December 12, 2018 at 6:46 am | Permalink

    Interesting stuff Jean.

  118. Jean
    Posted December 12, 2018 at 7:12 am | Permalink

    “This is our space for reasoned discussion.”– FF. BWAHAHAHA

    PS I said that the fake comments issued under regular commenters names were ‘fenatastic’ and even ‘amusing’. I did not say it was ‘genius.’ I said, in response to your intelligence requires honesty assertion, that most ‘genius’ is subversive, perhaps all of it. But I also said the commenters here aren’t all that smart or interesting and that includes our delightful parodist(s).

    I’m not trying to insult anyone, but ‘genius’ is an inherently high bar and should not be overused. Confusion and disruption are always instructive and often useful.

    “Confusing yourself is a way to stay honest” — Jenny Holzer

  119. Jean Henry
    Posted December 12, 2018 at 7:15 am | Permalink

    *”fantastic” not “fenatactic”
    Fenatastic just means a really nice window.

  120. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted December 12, 2018 at 8:49 am | Permalink

    I told you this place would be getting increasingly nutty as the Storm draws near. The cognitive dissonance must be about powerful enough to break your diseased little minds wide open.

    https://twitter.com/filthy_liberals/status/1072692036329975808

  121. Frosted Flakes
    Posted December 12, 2018 at 9:44 am | Permalink

    Jean seems to feel a need to clarify what she said and did not say. I wonder why?

  122. Jean Henry
    Posted December 12, 2018 at 10:54 am | Permalink

    I was making a joke, FF. I am here to work out my thinking and have a good time. That’s it. I am not trying to change anyone’s mind and I know this forum doesn’t matter one bit in the scheme of things. At least outside of local issues. Anyone can look at the number of times I have left my autocorrect and ADD spelling spasms uncorrected, and know I don’t give a shit what readers think. Sometimes I feel bad about the resulting word salad because it becomes incomprehensible, but that’s not about pride, just wasting other people’s time. I rarely care whether anyone gets my angle or not. I have been a semi-public person locally for long enough not to care about misapprehensions. Everyone is mostly wrong about everybody all the time. No point in fighting it.

  123. Frosted Flakes
    Posted December 12, 2018 at 11:32 am | Permalink

    You explained that you didn’t call it “genius” but you explained that you did call it “fantastic”. Why do you feel the need to explain yourself?

    What is this “Jean’s angle” thing you are talking about? Angle into what? From where?

  124. site admin
    Posted December 12, 2018 at 12:27 pm | Permalink

    As Tina Turner said, we can do this nice and easy, or we can do it rough. Either you guys knock it off with the posting under one another’s names, or we can do one of two things. We can either ban the people making the posts, or we can force people to register before posting, requiring proof of identity, written references, a cash deposit, etc.

  125. breaking news
    Posted December 12, 2018 at 1:51 pm | Permalink

    BREAKING: US Attorney for Southern District of NY says American Media, Inc. (National Enquirer publisher) “admitted its principal purpose in making the payment (to Playboy Playmate Karen McDougal) was to suppress (her) story so as to prevent it from influencing the election.”

  126. Frosted Flakes
    Posted December 12, 2018 at 2:48 pm | Permalink

    I believe Mark knows who started posting under other names. If he really wants it to stop then maybe it would be easiest for him to just pick up the phone, make a call, and ask his buddy to stop.

  127. Jean Henry
    Posted December 12, 2018 at 7:49 pm | Permalink

    FF– everyone has an angle of approach aka a perspective. You are trying very hard to disprove my subjective statements. In so doing, you just sound absurd. I know you think it’s logic. Like HW thinks it’s logic. No forum has ever proven so well my theories about the foolishness of leaning on the idea of the logical or rational when talking about human of human-adjacent activities or phenomena. God, FF, your thinking is so facile and boring. Can’t you see? Your lack of understanding of the subversive, parodic or ironic feels like a big handicap.
    Ease up. Dude. Non eof it matters. There are no winners.

    Mark– Do what you want to do, but caving to these assholes seems like a huge mistake. Remember when this site was funny? I started to in the last couple of days. The absurd is a gift in these times…

  128. Jean Henry
    Posted December 12, 2018 at 7:55 pm | Permalink

    FF– more directly– I ‘explain myself– to work out my thinking. I enjoy subjecting my ideas to the scrutiny and even mis-scrutiny of others. That’s how I learn. I don’t care what you think about it really. There are people whose opinion I value, to whom I might want to communicate my ideas effectively; You are not one of them. Even with those people, though, I’d like to think I still wouldn’t want to change their minds. I really am not interested in changing others.

  129. Anonymous
    Posted December 12, 2018 at 8:11 pm | Permalink

    Fake news alert!

    https://www.newsweek.com/funny-people-higher-iq-more-intelligent-685585

  130. Frosted Flakes
    Posted December 12, 2018 at 9:53 pm | Permalink

    Why would you think I was trying to prove your statements are subjective? That would be weird on my part. What a strange ideas you have.

    I am asking you those questions because on the one hand you have expressed that you think it is “fantastic” for a trickster to go all the way blurring the line of identity to the point that the reference points (aka community) “blows up”. On the other hand, you are showing concern about differentiating what you said and didn’t say, as if how you are identified/ defined is important to you.

    I was wondering how you reconcile your stated views. Based on what you just said now “about subjecting your ideas to others” seems to point you in the direction that meaning arises out of social context with reference points. A normal view I think. I just don’t know how that fits with your impulse to point out how meaningless things are–which you have stated 3 or 4 times now and your glee for destroying the reference points upon which meaning is ultimately dependant.

    Beyond that I was following your lead when you said there was something to be learned from the trickster. I was trying to talk about what was happening.

    I don’t understand why you describe Mark as “caving in to the assholes”. It is such a weird thing to say…Caving- in how? He thinks it is stupid and not productive. Why wouldn’t Mark try to prevent foolishness?

    Just my opinion but I think HW was right when he said something like “you can’t win any arguments so you want to scorch the earth”. I think you and your buddy just want to return to a safe space where nobody ever asked you guys any questions. Is that what you were thinking about when you said “caving in to assholes”?

  131. Sad
    Posted December 12, 2018 at 10:13 pm | Permalink

    Nice try fake FF.

  132. Sad
    Posted December 12, 2018 at 10:14 pm | Permalink

    Or should I say faux flakes?

  133. Frosted Flakes
    Posted December 12, 2018 at 10:28 pm | Permalink

    Oops Jean, I just realized you said I was trying to “disprove your subjective statements”. That is not nearly as weird as what I misread you as saying. I think you are wrong though. I am asking you questions because I think your position is contradictory.

    Also, you really think mm.com needs more absurdity? For real?

  134. Jean Henry
    Posted December 12, 2018 at 10:30 pm | Permalink

    Why would you think I was trying to prove your statements are subjective?

    Read again, FF.

    I meant meaningless in context of the larger significance of ‘winning’ any arguments here. It simply doesn’t matter. I don’t try to win arguments here. I also don’t think you and Hw win any arguments. Funny how you both think you do.

    Re Mark– I was only interested in protecting the humor happening here. I made that explicit. I thought the doppelgangers were amusing. You and HW are neither amusing nor interesting. What’s that Oscar Wild bit? “Those who find ugly meanings in beautiful things are corrupt without being charming.”

    I mostly ignore you FF. I try to reply earnestly when I’m mentioned. I think I’ll probably stop doing that.

  135. Frosted Flakes
    Posted December 12, 2018 at 10:35 pm | Permalink

    Sorry to disappoint you Sad but I have always only posted under my one pseudonym except that one time I posted from Commander Thom’s mother’s basement under the name “Raisin Bran”.

  136. Jean Henry
    Posted December 12, 2018 at 10:40 pm | Permalink

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIitgkc4Iwk

  137. Frosted Flakes
    Posted December 12, 2018 at 10:47 pm | Permalink

    In fairness didn’t you one time mention you were on a debate team and according to you won every argument but the judge thought you lost every argument. I really don’t see it as winning or losing but contradiction is contradiction. Hypocrisy is hypocrisy.

    Yes Oscar Wilde quote again, thanks.

    I’m sorry, I don’t buy that you and your buddy are just motivated by your desire to preserve humor on the site.

  138. Jean Henry
    Posted December 12, 2018 at 10:49 pm | Permalink

    The delay in your posts FF would indicate that you are in fact faux. Or a bad typist. Doesn;t matter! Ha!

    And yes I think we need more absurdity as a natural reaction/antidote to all the trickery and fuckery.

  139. Jean Henry
    Posted December 12, 2018 at 11:07 pm | Permalink

    I was never on the debate team. Ever. Dont know what you are talking about.

    Everyone is self-contradictory and so hypocritical. It’s just part if the human material, as they say.

  140. stupid hick
    Posted December 13, 2018 at 1:55 am | Permalink

    I haven’t been posting much lately. It’s because I had a heart attack. I wish I would have listened to Jean Henry and stopped eating at McDonald’s and Burger King so often. She was right.

  141. Frosted Flakes
    Posted December 13, 2018 at 3:33 am | Permalink

    I am sorry to hear you are having health problems, SH.

  142. Sad
    Posted December 13, 2018 at 7:22 am | Permalink

    SH that’s horrible. I hope you recover.

    Have you started eating better now? Exercising?

    I hope Lynne doesn’t see this.

  143. stupid hick
    Posted December 13, 2018 at 7:51 am | Permalink

    Thanks for your well wishes, but I’m ok. That wasn’t me, it was a fake stupid hick who sounds nothing like me. I’ve been lurking, eating chicken nuggets, just haven’t had anything to say because I got tired of being out-witted by Hyberian Warlord.

  144. stupid hick
    Posted December 13, 2018 at 7:57 am | Permalink

    No! I’m the real stupid hick!

  145. stupid hick
    Posted December 13, 2018 at 7:58 am | Permalink

    No you’re not!

  146. Posted December 13, 2018 at 7:59 am | Permalink

    Yes you are!

  147. stupid hick
    Posted December 13, 2018 at 8:00 am | Permalink

    I know you are, but what am I?

  148. disinterested observer
    Posted December 13, 2018 at 8:28 am | Permalink

    In my impartial opinion, both stupid hicks are authentic.

  149. Jean Henry
    Posted December 13, 2018 at 8:53 am | Permalink

    Sigh… I never told anyone where or what to eat. I suggested that eating at Fast Food was not an indication of moral superiority or being one with the people. I don’t give a shit what anyone does with their body. On principle. I feel totally ok, however, deriding companies that enrich themselves as much as possible by encouraging people to be as unhealthy as possible. I get that the food is cheap. I also get that Americans like things cheap and big and then like to toss out 40% of their edible food. And that’s across the board, not just the wealthy. I don;t the poor are morally superior. I don’t think the middle class is morally superior. I don’t think the rich are morally superior. I know, what a snob.

    Stupid Hick, I’m glad you are doing swell. Are you winning every day by eating from the dollar menu?

  150. Frosted Flakes
    Posted December 13, 2018 at 11:51 am | Permalink

    Wow. I didn’t get the jokes at first but this fake poster guy is a real witty fellow. It’s like he went to a top school and got a PhD in funny guy. Fantastic humor.

    On the other hand, I think many of us, from the outset, suspected the real why he is doing this; as well as the real reason why Mark has not bothered to ban anyone, as if that would be a real option give the access format; or even bothered to pick up the phone to ask his buddy to stop.

    Gee, I wonder how this will unfold? I am predicting a return to circle jerk. (Sorry SH.)

  151. Sad
    Posted December 13, 2018 at 11:57 am | Permalink

    FF always has it all figured out.

  152. Anonymous
    Posted December 13, 2018 at 12:57 pm | Permalink

    Maybe FF could collect resources to help Mark support a more rigorous comment registration and moderation program that is more to FF standards. Sounds like an unhappy internet welfare queen freeloader to me.

  153. Frosted Flakes
    Posted December 13, 2018 at 1:24 pm | Permalink

    You don’t get it. I don’t mind the fake poster too much. I especially don’t mind the fake poster if that is how it has to be… I also don’t believe in banning people and I don’t think, despite Mark suggesting otherwise, banning is a feasible option given the open access nature of the forum. If Mark wants 25 cents to place the call to his buddy I will drive by and throw a quarter in his bushes. In the mean time I don’t think it would be a bad idea for Mark to articulate why he believes the fake posting is stupid. I also think it would be a good idea for Mark to explain what sort of options are off the table in terms of his own principles. If he gets around to doing those things this will evaporate and I think it will be a good thing.

    I only hope Mark continues to hold onto his principles of open access, free-speech, anti-censorship, and discourse as I was led to believe they were reflections of some of his redeeming qualities in the past. People have changed since Trump so I don’t know…..

  154. Anonymous
    Posted December 13, 2018 at 3:33 pm | Permalink

    Maybe the fake poster isn’t a fake poster?

  155. Frosted Flakes
    Posted December 13, 2018 at 4:31 pm | Permalink

    I would be willing to bet the person who started posting under other people’s names knows he is a fake person.

  156. Jean Henry
    Posted December 13, 2018 at 5:03 pm | Permalink

    What eveidence fdo you have FF that Mark is not still committed to ” principles of open access, free-speech, anti-censorship, and discourse?”

    Why would cracking down on the fake name use/fake identity theft be an action in support (v against) those principles?

  157. Jean Henry
    Posted December 13, 2018 at 5:07 pm | Permalink

    ” If this garbage continues , then I think it is worse than “bad form”, it is evil.” –FF

    “You don’t get it. I don’t mind the fake poster too much.” –FF

    I wonder how we could have possibly been confused?

  158. Jean Henry
    Posted December 13, 2018 at 5:08 pm | Permalink

    “He is evil and must be stopped.” –FF
    “You don’t get it. I don’t mind the fake poster too much.” –FF

  159. Frosted Flakes
    Posted December 13, 2018 at 5:35 pm | Permalink

    Confusion is to be expected now—Duh! I did not bother pointing out which posts were mine and which posts were not. It would make zero sense for Jean, if it is real Jean, to point to “me” as a source of confusion. She thought it would be “fantastic” to sign up for confusion because she is a confused person.

    I do not think Mark should spend time deleting posts. I would rather endure the evil than compromise free access and require identity verification. Banning does not seem like a practical solution as I believe there are easy work around s in the current system.

    What does that leave in terms of productive action? A phone call perhaps? Maybe Jean could stop enabling your mentally ill and nihilistic buddy? Those would be my guesses for possible solutions.

  160. Sad
    Posted December 13, 2018 at 6:33 pm | Permalink

    Are you certified to diagnose people who you don’t know Dr. FF?

    Why are you so uptight? It seems to have scared off HW. So there’s that.

  161. Anonymous
    Posted December 13, 2018 at 6:49 pm | Permalink

    “Maybe the fake poster isn’t a fake poster?”

    I didn’t post that, but I think there might be multiple fake posters who are getting on board with the spirit of the meme.

  162. Sad
    Posted December 13, 2018 at 6:53 pm | Permalink

    I’ve never been anything but a fake poster.

    I’m not even Sad.

  163. Jean Henry
    Posted December 13, 2018 at 7:51 pm | Permalink

    Ah FF but you indicated which were yours and not. Are you now saying neither of those pets were yours?

    Re confusion. I find it pleasant. I don’t care what you think but you were tossing around the term hypocrite earlier so it seemed fair play.

    All for the fun of it!

    I’m not sure why you think I’m somehow enabling the fake poster. Because I find it funny? I can’t be alone. It seems multiple people are participating. But Not me. Yet I’m the enabler??? Just a wee bit sexist there FF. Not that I care. (I don’t) . You really are so self-serious.

  164. Frosted Flakes
    Posted December 13, 2018 at 8:30 pm | Permalink

    Why would I have gone too much out my way to clarify which posts belong to me and which belong to someone else under my pseudonym? Under these circumstances, where the reference points are intentionally blurred, truth statements, attached to a meaningless name would not really clarify anything would they? Jean asked for confusion and Jean appears to be confused. Sounds about right to me. It is not my problem. I do find the problems within the mm.com community interesting to observe, however.

  165. Anonymous
    Posted December 13, 2018 at 10:17 pm | Permalink

    I had no idea that frosted snowflake was an anthropologist, studying if spaces are safe for him?

  166. stupid hick
    Posted December 14, 2018 at 12:54 am | Permalink

    I confess, I am both the real and fake stupid hick. I was just goofing around. Sorry I said I had a heart attack, that was maybe a little over the top. Carry on.

  167. Jean Henry
    Posted December 14, 2018 at 3:00 am | Permalink

    FF– You are bad at this game. You keep trying to make the point for logic and reason and you keep demonstrating its limitations. Loki won the day and then just left the room. The chaos kept spinning. You only gave it momentum.

  168. Anonymous
    Posted December 14, 2018 at 5:36 am | Permalink

    You get into a tinkle contest with a skunk, you get tinkle all over you.

  169. Frosted Flakes
    Posted December 14, 2018 at 9:06 am | Permalink

    I am not playing a game. I am learning about the nihilistic and cowardly left. MM.com is great.

  170. Frosted Flakes
    Posted December 14, 2018 at 9:17 am | Permalink

    “You keep trying to make the point for logic and reason and you keep demonstrating its limitations”.

    Whoever wrote this is confused.

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