What kind of man stands in front of thousands and mocks a sexual assault survivor? And, more importantly, what kind of country allows it to happen?

Clearly Donald Trump has made a decision to go on the offensive. It’s disgusting, but it doesn’t surprise me. I’m just curious as to why he’s decided to change direction now, after several days of biting his tongue and saying that he found the testimony of Dr. Blasey Ford “credible.” Could it be that he’s come to believe that they no longer have the votes to push Kavanaugh through to the Supreme Court? Or is it just that, standing there in front of his adoring crowd, he couldn’t help but give into the temptation to do what comes naturally, and attack? Or is this maybe just his way of bumping that New York Times story about how he’s not a self-made man at all, but really just inherited everything he has from his tax cheat of a father, off the front page? Whatever the reason, I’d hope that we all agree that this is not acceptable behavior for anyone, let alone someone in public office, let alone the President of the United States.

Speaking of that Times feature on the multi-generational tax fraud of the Trump crime family, here’s an excerpt.

…The president has long sold himself as a self-made billionaire, but a Times investigation found that he received at least $413 million in today’s dollars from his father’s real estate empire, much of it through tax dodges in the 1990s.

President Trump participated in dubious tax schemes during the 1990s, including instances of outright fraud, that greatly increased the fortune he received from his parents, an investigation by The New York Times has found.

Mr. Trump won the presidency proclaiming himself a self-made billionaire, and he has long insisted that his father, the legendary New York City builder Fred C. Trump, provided almost no financial help.

But The Times’s investigation, based on a vast trove of confidential tax returns and financial records, reveals that Mr. Trump received the equivalent today of at least $413 million from his father’s real estate empire, starting when he was a toddler and continuing to this day.

Much of this money came to Mr. Trump because he helped his parents dodge taxes. He and his siblings set up a sham corporation to disguise millions of dollars in gifts from their parents, records and interviews show. Records indicate that Mr. Trump helped his father take improper tax deductions worth millions more. He also helped formulate a strategy to undervalue his parents’ real estate holdings by hundreds of millions of dollars on tax returns, sharply reducing the tax bill when those properties were transferred to him and his siblings.

These maneuvers met with little resistance from the Internal Revenue Service, The Times found. The president’s parents, Fred and Mary Trump, transferred well over $1 billion in wealth to their children, which could have produced a tax bill of at least $550 million under the 55 percent tax rate then imposed on gifts and inheritances…

Oh, and here’s a little bit of good news to make up for the video above. The New York State tax department is reviewing these new fraud allegations against the Trump family brought by the New York Times.

update: Michael R. Bromwich, one of Dr. Blasey Ford’s attorneys, just responded to the above video, calling Trump’s comments, “a vicious, vile and soulless attack” on his client. “Is it any wonder that she was terrified to come forward, and that other sexual assault survivors are as well?,” he asked. “She is a remarkable profile in courage. He is a profile in cowardice.”

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186 Comments

  1. Anonymous
    Posted October 2, 2018 at 9:32 pm | Permalink

    Meanwhile Don Jr. is posting conspiracy theories about Dr. Ford being coached on how to fool a polygraph test.

    https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1047309366800646144

  2. John Galt
    Posted October 2, 2018 at 10:14 pm | Permalink

    #MenToo

  3. Concerned Michiganian
    Posted October 3, 2018 at 5:29 am | Permalink

    Horrifying!

    Only a true soulless scumsucker would act as Donald Trump does. A very terrible person!

    Which is why we need to get OUT and VOTE in November!!!!!! Resist the childish fool in the White House!!!

    #CleanYpsilanti #Whitmer2018 #BlueWave2018

  4. LyricBot
    Posted October 3, 2018 at 5:59 am | Permalink

    As Donald Glover said, “This is America.”

  5. Anonymous
    Posted October 3, 2018 at 6:06 am | Permalink

    Is it a coincidence that this is happening at the same time the FBI is broadening its investigation into Kavanaugh? I think not.

    CNN: “The FBI expands its inquiry into Christine Blasey Ford’s allegations”

    Link: https://cnn.it/2NYsg82

  6. John Brown
    Posted October 3, 2018 at 6:29 am | Permalink

    Putins stooge, Ruskie mob money laundering criminal, tax fraud, money losing, betraying America, woman hating Pieces of Shit. And they have a civilian army with millions of crazies that he’ll be able to mobilize via cell phone.

    Get ready to defend America people. There’s a very real chance this turns ugly. The trump cult is utterly detached from reality and are brainwashed that Libtards are the problem. Me. You. Us. We are the problem in their upside down and they will come for us eventually.

  7. LUMOS
    Posted October 3, 2018 at 7:54 am | Permalink

    Flake reacts to Trump’s mockery of Blasey Ford: “It’s kind of appalling” http://bit.ly/2Iy8NFb

    “Kind of”? Really?

  8. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 3, 2018 at 8:21 am | Permalink

    So there is a letter stating she helped her friend prepare for a polygraph using her background in psychology. Kind of blows away her little act, huh? “I’m just a poor wittle baby up here. I don’t know nuffin’ about nuffin’…”

  9. iRobert
    Posted October 3, 2018 at 8:32 am | Permalink

    HW, maybe you could post a link to the proof that this letter you speak of actually exists.

  10. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 3, 2018 at 8:42 am | Permalink

    First post in the thread refers to it as a Don Jr. conspiracy theory.

    https://twitter.com/ShannonBream/status/1047293294567456770/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1047293294567456770&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fthefederalist.com%2F2018%2F10%2F02%2Fchristine-blasey-fords-ex-boyfriend-told-senate-judiciary-witnessed-coach-friend-polygraphs%2F

    Compare to Ford testimony.

    https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1046210923994730496

  11. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 3, 2018 at 8:44 am | Permalink

    Mitchell’s questions to Ford about whether or not she had ever been advised or given advice about polygraph tests were very pointed. Makes me wonder if Mitchell already had intel about it.

  12. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 3, 2018 at 8:46 am | Permalink

    She knew.

  13. Richard Painter by proxy
    Posted October 3, 2018 at 8:48 am | Permalink

    Richard Painter: “Senator Flake and his colleagues should insist on a vote to censure Trump for his disgusting remarks before there is any vote on Kavanaugh.”

  14. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 3, 2018 at 8:54 am | Permalink

    If she is telling the truth it is disgusting. I would agree with that. Logically if she is lying then it is you people who are disgusting, correct? It all hinges on that.

  15. Eel
    Posted October 3, 2018 at 8:54 am | Permalink

    Keep digging, HW. I’m sure, if you go deep enough, you’ll discover that she was grown in a test tube by Bill Clinton and George Soros, and, prior to this, worked as a “crisis actor” at Sandy Hook.

  16. Concerned Michiganian
    Posted October 3, 2018 at 8:57 am | Permalink

    This behavior will only stop when we have CLEAN COMMUNITIES! Not fractured areas which allow misogyny and sexual assault to happen.

    We need to clean up America, get rid of all things that objectify and degrade women, starting right HERE in Ypsilanti!!!

    Trump normalized rape and sexual assault back in the 90s! When will it stop?

    Clean up Ypsi!!

    #CleanYpsilanti #Whitmer2018 #NoTrump #ResistTrump

  17. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 3, 2018 at 8:59 am | Permalink

    I am digging into her and her family’s possible (likely) connections to the CIA.

  18. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 3, 2018 at 9:01 am | Permalink

    There is no such thing as a Michiganian, dumbass. We all know it is ‘Michigander’. Where are you from really?

  19. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 3, 2018 at 9:04 am | Permalink

    Eel, when people in the MM.com community were surprised the fbi was not going to interview Swetnick It was obvious that most of you guys were barely following any of this.

    I am barely following this and I still have been wondering: “What weird bubble of cluelessness are some of you guys living in?”

  20. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 3, 2018 at 9:17 am | Permalink

    Concerned Michiganian,

    Can you give your concrete and specific proposals of how we should start to “clean” Ypsilanti?

  21. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 3, 2018 at 9:21 am | Permalink

    It’s a troll talking about the strip club and the weeed stores.

  22. Concerned Michiganian
    Posted October 3, 2018 at 9:55 am | Permalink

    1. Close Deja Vu!
    2. Hire locals to clean the streets daily !
    3. Ban vape stores!
    4. Get rid of payday loan businesses
    5. No more drug economy!
    6. More money for schools!
    7. Guaranteed living wage for everyone!
    8. Extra taxes on alcohol sales!
    9. Convert Water Street into a state park!
    10. Provide money to expand La Torre to sell tacos on every street!

  23. Concerned Michiganian
    Posted October 3, 2018 at 10:10 am | Permalink

    #Whitmer2018 #BlueWave2018 #CleanYpsi2018

  24. John Brown
    Posted October 3, 2018 at 10:20 am | Permalink

    Concerned Michigander(*) 2020!

    Agent Orange is not only a domestic enemy of the Constitution I swore to defend, but also a complete degenerate. And his supporters are vile degenerates who will reap a horrible reward if they persist in undermining the USA by supporting the psychopathic criminal.

  25. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 3, 2018 at 10:37 am | Permalink

    Isn’t it boring being so dumb?

  26. Jean Henry
    Posted October 3, 2018 at 10:58 am | Permalink

    I couldn’t agree less with concerned Michigan about what degrades women and makes them unsafe.

    Moralism and prudery that frames women as virgins or whores rather than fully complex (and sexual) human beings is more to blame for sexual violence in my mind than objectification.

    The idea that objectification of women only happens in strip joints or that corruption only arises from drug sales is amusing at best.

    The idea that women need to be protected rather than have agency is an expression of paternalism and so serves the patriarchy not women’s freedom.

    We are human, not fragile. And sex and sexuality don’t pose a risk to us. Violence does.

  27. Steven C Pickard
    Posted October 3, 2018 at 11:17 am | Permalink

    I think its funny that Trumpster had to have a friendly audience in the absolute last place state of the entire union to really let it all out and that he did more damage to his nominee by so doing than if he stayed home.

  28. Concerned Michiganian
    Posted October 3, 2018 at 11:45 am | Permalink

    The problem is that America has lost its way. No morals, no decency, no early childhood lessons that tell men not to cry and scream.

    Deja Vu is just a symptom! Cleaning up Ypsilanti and getting rid of vape stores will just be the beginning. We need wholesome education that tells boys and girls they are real and not imagined. That their words count! For good and for bad.

    Vote yes on the library millage! and YES on the expansion of parks!! And NO on the drug initiative! And YES on the school millage!!

    We need to also have a CLEAN YPSILANTI ballot imitative!!! Get rid of Deja Vu!!!

    #CleanYpsi2018 #Whitmer2018 #BlueWave2018

  29. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 3, 2018 at 11:49 am | Permalink

    Since you guys think Q is a riot here is a lil entertainment for you. Latest Q:

    Q !!mG7VJxZNCI No.321
    Oct 3 2018 00:50:21 (EST)
    https://twitter.com/Kevin_Shipp/status/1047333936102363136
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/christine-blasey-ford-ex-boyfriend-says-she-helped-friend-prep-for-potential-polygraph-grassley-sounds-alarm
    Ford herself coached by the C_A?
    FARM (pre-family invite) w/ internship assignment (Stanford)?
    C_A-assisted ‘sex assault’ ‘sleepers’ who are targeted based on trusted family backgrounds, geopolitical location relative to families of power/influence, ability to harvest [control], etc.?
    Fantasy or Reality?
    Normal-to- [self-induced] in stages to exhibit past trauma-level events w/ ‘friendly’ therapy sessions notated as undefined?
    ‘Past trauma’ exerted to IDEN ‘mind w/ feelings’ w/ TARGET INSERTION.
    Polygraph administered by [former] FBI agent?
    Who was the agent?
    Background?
    Mueller-era?
    HOW MANY TIMES WAS THE TEST ADMINISTERED BEFORE RESULTS SATISFACTORY?
    WERE QUESTIONS MODIFIED TO CREATE POSITIVE RESULT?
    Goal: [per past statistical success rates] apply enough ‘false’ intensive private & public pressure for nominee to resign.
    Mission Failed.
    Target provided w/ info to prep [counter].
    The More You Know…
    Q

  30. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 3, 2018 at 12:17 pm | Permalink

    Oh. I asked you what you meant by “clean up Ypsi” because the mm.com community was informed, by a very reliable source, that “clean up a city” is a dog whistle used by Nazi sympathizers in order to gather support from other white supremacist Nazi types.

    For the record: Are you a Nazi? I can’t tell.

    #becauseleeatwater

  31. Concerned Michiganian
    Posted October 3, 2018 at 12:22 pm | Permalink

    I am not a NAZI!

    Ypsi is for everyone. We want a clean community for everyone.

    #Whitmer2018 #CleanYpsi2018 #BlueWave2018 #RESISTTrump2018

  32. John Brown
    Posted October 3, 2018 at 12:23 pm | Permalink

    Agent Orange is one dumb fucker. How does this dipshit get a ROI on his daddys fraudulently transferred fortune thats way way below an S&P 500 Index fund? Because he’s a total fucking moron – who apparently attracts other morons like moths to a flame. But he’s got tons of ruskie money bailing him out according to the morons spawn DJT Jr. Hell, anyone with a credit line can make a killing on A2 real estate and this stupid fucker cant outpace an index fund on Manhattan real estate? And casinos? He’s got to be the first person in history dumb enough to lose money running a casino.

    As to Concerned Michigan Persons agenda; Hey, at least there’s some moral foundation to their concern for the community. Beats the hell outta HWs detached abstraction and total failure to grasp consequences. HW might as well be Stephen Miller, the NAZI jew.

    JH, I agree with what you said re womens agency. But we have to get rid of the pimps, whether they’re in West Willow, or the White House.

  33. M
    Posted October 3, 2018 at 12:32 pm | Permalink

    OK, I’ll bite. Tell me about these ‘sex assault sleeper agents,’ HW. I’m all ears.

  34. wobblie
    Posted October 3, 2018 at 12:37 pm | Permalink

    While the circus consumes all the oxygen in the room, the rich continue to rack in all of our wealth.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/kerryadolan/2018/10/03/forbes-400-2018-a-new-number-one-and-a-record-breaking-year-for-americas-richest-people/#e0c487f60b7c

    Which is the purpose of the all whole circus anyway.

  35. Concerned Michiganian
    Posted October 3, 2018 at 12:41 pm | Permalink

    There is wealth in the form of money and then there is COMMUNITY WEALTH which we get from supporting one another!!

    A CLEAN YPSILANTI lets us be TOGETHER!!

    More farmers markets, clean community events, freedom from exploitation and misogyny!! Love your mothers!

    No more HATE! More La Torre TACOS!!

    #Whitmer2018 #BlueWave2018 #NomoreTRUMP

  36. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 3, 2018 at 12:47 pm | Permalink

    Blasey is one. They cooked her story up in case Romney won and nominated Kavanaugh. Swetnick is another one. Look at her issues. Serious, serious problems that taint anything she says. Don’t know as much about Ramirez but no person out of all the people each of them knew corroborate their stories.

    Imagine you could get out of your beliefs for a minute and consider it is possible this could be in reality a co-ordinated attack. Look at what an effective weapon the false allegation is. Considering their desperation from their perspective would they NOT use it?

  37. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 3, 2018 at 12:48 pm | Permalink

    *why* would they not use it

  38. Anonymous
    Posted October 3, 2018 at 12:59 pm | Permalink

    Fantasy warlord. Failed beta bro, now pending incel status. User name checks out.

  39. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 3, 2018 at 1:10 pm | Permalink

    To be funny or entertaining at all in trash talk you have to put some truth in it like I do. You just sound dumb.

  40. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 3, 2018 at 1:19 pm | Permalink

    Presidential Alert bitch!

  41. Lynne
    Posted October 3, 2018 at 1:48 pm | Permalink

    The hoops men are jumping through to discredit Ford is pretty awful. They are really reaching and saying things like she told her therapist about the rape because she thought Romney might nominate Kavenaugh. They are dismissing her lie detector test with claims that she was coached. There is no limit to how far they will go to try to discredit this woman . I am sure that is what Trump was about. He knows that there are a lot of men out there who are way more concerned with men being falsely accused of rape than they are concerned about women getting raped. I think most of them are not actually afraid of being FALSELY accused but are afraid of being accused. For obvious reasons, President Pussy Grabber is sympathetic to such men. And he knows they are going to support him.

    The only thing decent people can do is get to the polls in November and make a point of not voting for any men like that. There has to be consequences for treating rape victims badly.

  42. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 3, 2018 at 2:03 pm | Permalink

    There is no reason anyone should automatically be believed. There has to be some kind of evidence. At least the story has to add up. What will you say if what I say is found out to be true? Will you learn it doesn’t work to be blind to everything outside your emotional attachments?

  43. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 3, 2018 at 2:13 pm | Permalink

    Blasey flew all over the world. Her ex said in his letter to the Senate she never had any problem with flying even in a propellor plane or being in enclosed spaces at all. He said he saw her coach Monica L. Mclean (DOJ, FBI) on how to take a polygraph. That is very far from her testimony. Is it not?

  44. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 3, 2018 at 2:22 pm | Permalink

    Woman’s impression of Blasey’s testimony

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbkW_9F7StU

  45. Lynne
    Posted October 3, 2018 at 2:49 pm | Permalink

    I don’t think that one has to be a jerk to rape victims in order to question their story. I also think it is very important when dealing with crime victims in general and rape victims in particular to remember that false accusations are pretty rare. Anytime someone alleges rape, there is a greater than 90% chance they are telling the truth.

    I don’t know if Trump or the GOP realize how many women they are triggering with this. They seem to be banking on male turn out. We will see if that strategy works.

  46. Anonymous
    Posted October 3, 2018 at 3:06 pm | Permalink

    She was seen FLYING IN A PLANE!! Don’t you people get it? She said she was afraid of flying, and yet she flies!!!! This is the Rosetta Stone for this whole conspiracy! It’s all about to unravel! She will be in prison soon!

  47. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 3, 2018 at 3:12 pm | Permalink

    What if she is not a(n attempted) rape victim? At least not by Kavanaugh? What then? Your whole rationale falls apart.

  48. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 3, 2018 at 3:20 pm | Permalink

    “Anytime someone alleges rape, there is a greater than 90% chance they are telling the truth.”

    That’s a hilarious way to look at it. I think it is true that most claims are genuine. Some people have a 0% chance of telling the truth though because they are lying. The overall percentage means nothing in a case.

  49. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 3, 2018 at 3:26 pm | Permalink

    You people are so hypocritical. You don’t give a shit about Bill Clinton’s accusers (victims). Hillary called them bimbos and you actually hate people who voted against her. You hate people who voted against someone who calls rape/sexual assault victims a bimbo. Let that reality sink in and get a little taste of how horrible that is.

  50. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 3, 2018 at 4:12 pm | Permalink

    “She was seen FLYING IN A PLANE!!”

    Over and over to far-flung exotic locales, that’s right. Now why would she claim she has tremendous difficulty flying due to Brett Kavanaugh and couldn’t even make it to the hearing because of it when she flies all the time?

  51. Lynne
    Posted October 3, 2018 at 4:17 pm | Permalink

    HW, is Bill Clinton being considered for SCOTUS? When he is and then everyone ignores those allegations, then we can talk.

    I have listened to both testimonies. I think based on those, Ford is the more credible. Kavenaugh’s lying about his drinking, about the yearbook, about the calendar, etc makes me think that he could be lying about Ford’s allegations. He clearly is not a trustworthy man. At this point, I don’t think Ford’s allegations matter anymore although they sure were valuable in helping us see Kavenaugh’s true colors. There is no reason to continue to drag her through the mud.

  52. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 3, 2018 at 4:22 pm | Permalink

    President is higher than SC, is it not? Hillary called his victims bimbos. Hillary was running for president and you hate people who went against her. What part about that do you need help with?

  53. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 3, 2018 at 4:26 pm | Permalink

    Report about to land at WH.

  54. Jean Henry
    Posted October 3, 2018 at 5:01 pm | Permalink

    I’m really hoping Concerned Michigander is just another Ironlung persona.

  55. Jean Henry
    Posted October 3, 2018 at 5:04 pm | Permalink

    Nah… he wouldn’t have let ‘sex assault sleeper agents’ just slide by…

    I still hope concerned Michigander is a parody. She may be closer to my worst nightmare than HW.

  56. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 3, 2018 at 5:09 pm | Permalink

    The worst for you is yet to unfold. Don’t be afraid. It will be very, very good for everyone on this planet including you.

  57. Lynne
    Posted October 3, 2018 at 5:25 pm | Permalink

    HW, yes. When Bill was running, it was a different time and voters were much more om with the idea of powerful men sexually abusing women. I am pretty sure Hillary never sexually abused anyone.

  58. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 3, 2018 at 5:29 pm | Permalink

    I wouldn’t be so sure of that. Anyways she called them bimbos. That is worse than what President Trump said about Blasey.

  59. Jean Henry
    Posted October 3, 2018 at 6:06 pm | Permalink

    It’s a sham investigation: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-10-03/fbi-said-to-lack-white-house-approval-to-talk-to-kavanaugh-ford

  60. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 3, 2018 at 6:28 pm | Permalink

    Unnamed sources…

  61. facebook stalker
    Posted October 3, 2018 at 6:57 pm | Permalink

    Sarah Sanders says that Trump was just stating facts.

    “I dispute that it wasn’t anything other than the president stating facts.”

    http://hill.cm/UeraGn2

  62. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 3, 2018 at 8:13 pm | Permalink

    It’s true: she knew she had one beer, didn’t know where and when it was. She did say it was upstairs so that is a slight exaggeration of his. He will do that to get people like you talking about it because he knows how it turns out with you looking like a fool. Haven’t you figured that out yet?

  63. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 3, 2018 at 8:22 pm | Permalink

    Isn’t there some truth in what Sander’s said?

    Did you guys watch the Matt Damon SNL skit where he “mocked” Kavanaugh? It was hilarious and some of the funniest lines were exact quotes from the Kavanaugh hearing.

    Trump is reciting a list of facts (except for the untrue claim that Ford did not remember if the alleged assault was upstairs or down) and people laughed–because her testimony was odd and pretty much anyone with two brain cells and a little bit of courage is able to admit her testimony was odd.

  64. Lynne
    Posted October 3, 2018 at 8:31 pm | Permalink

    I tried to find a verified quote of Hillary Clinton calling women who were accusing her husband of rape, “bimbos” but was unable to. The closest I could find was her referring to his affaires as “bimbo eruptions” which of course is no where near as deplorable as President Pussy Grabber mocking a rape victim

  65. Lynne
    Posted October 3, 2018 at 8:43 pm | Permalink

    I didn’t find Ford’s testimony to odd. It was pretty compelling and heartbreaking. Although not nearly as heartbreaking as listening to men mock her and attack her in what seems to me like a desperate attempt to discredit her. I actually find myself wondering if Trump knew about Ford’s allegations before he nominated Kavanaugh or if he is just taking advantage of the situation to play to the votes of overly entitled men. At any rate, he is playing to what seems to me to be a common male feeling that a man getting accused of rape is a much greater issue than women actually getting raped.

    I dont know what to do other than suggesting a Lysistrada type solution, perhaps with a withdrawal of emotional labor instead of sex?

  66. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 3, 2018 at 10:34 pm | Permalink

    Lynne or whoever wants to answer:

    This is just one small thing of many odd things but isn’t odd that Ford said she remembers all 3 of things together: a) she went home after, b) she does not remember how she got home, c) she remembers she did not drive herself home.

    Is that not odd? Memory does not work like that does it?

    It would be like if I told you I do not remember what I had for lunch 5 years ago “I only remember that I did not have pizza”?

    I am using the term “odd” generously here, I think. Can you tell me how it works that someone can forget what happened in a chunk of time while simultaneously remembering what didn’t happen in that same chunk of time?

    One small thing. Many other oddities….

  67. wobblie
    Posted October 4, 2018 at 5:54 am | Permalink

    FF, have you ever lost a love one? Experience any kind of personal trauma? For example I can remember everything about my feelings when I was told my sister was dead. Could not tell you anything about what happened before-other than it was day time- nor what if anything I did later in the day.

  68. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 4, 2018 at 6:22 am | Permalink

    Wobblie , Of course it is not odd at all that she does not remember what she did after leaving the house. Similarly, it is is not odd that you do not remember things before/ after hearing your bad news about your sister. It is odd that she said she simultaneously forgot how she got home but remembers she did NOT drive herself home.

  69. John Brown
    Posted October 4, 2018 at 8:38 am | Permalink

    FF,

    She was a 15 yr old child! Of course she wouldnt have driven herself home. Think. Please.

    I know some close family friends girls who are at 14, 15 and 18. This is ridiculous to be be applying adult expectations to their behavior under any circumstances never mind violent assault. Disgusting.

  70. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 4, 2018 at 9:06 am | Permalink

    John Brown,

    You are confused.

    She is not sure when it happened–which is fine–even normal.

    She did not say she remembered being fifteen so she reasoned her way to the conclusion that she couldn’t have driven herself. That is not what she said.

    She said she: a) remembered going home, b) did not remember how she got home, c) she remembered “only that she did not drive home”.

    Memory does not work that way right?

    If I said I remember going to lunch 5 years ago, I do not remember what I had for lunch, I remember I did not pizza, then you would say that something is amiss, no.

    If I am wrong then please share a memory you have that fits in the formula of remembering what you didn’t do but not recalling what you did do within the same chunk of time.

    This is just one little thing. There were many others.

    I do not want to waste a bunch of time on this. Do you understand I am saying her statement here is odd?

  71. Lynne
    Posted October 4, 2018 at 9:12 am | Permalink

    Yes, exactly. She doesnt remember how she got home but does remember that at 15 she wasnt driving. Interestingly, one of the things I found odd was to have a victim who was simultaneously an expert on memory testify. Odd, as in unusual, but in no way discrediting.

  72. John Brown
    Posted October 4, 2018 at 9:23 am | Permalink

    I’m not confused. She was a child. And Republicans have zero empathy for children if it interferes with their political agenda. They seem to believe that disgusting phrase “old enough to bleed, old enough to breed”. I’m not the slightest bit confused.

  73. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 4, 2018 at 9:34 am | Permalink

    It is interesting that a PhD in psychology, specializing in childhood trauma could so easily, when describing an event, could make a category mistakes between describing two seperate functions memory recall vs. situational reconstruction via reason. It is extremely interesting.

    One interesting prior in her testimony she made the same mistake. She said she remembered hearing a conversation happening down stairs from the bathroom. What was the conversation about she was asked. I don’t know she replied. Mitchell asked for clarification ” you could not understand or you could not hear the conversation”. Ford said she did “hear” the conversation then tried to explain that she assumed there was a conversation because people were talking when she walked out of the house–and that she arrived at the conclusion that they were talking when she was in the bathroom by reason (situational reconstruction via reason). But that is not what she wrote. That is not what she said. Is it not odd that an expert in this field would be guilty of speaking so imprecisely about her memories?

  74. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 4, 2018 at 9:35 am | Permalink

    John Brown,

    You are very confused.

  75. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 4, 2018 at 9:45 am | Permalink

    This is going to backfire on you. The report will have found no corroboration. You are going to lose big at the polls. Not only are the dems going to fail to gain shit, the never-Trump RINOS are fucking off of their own volition.

  76. EOS
    Posted October 4, 2018 at 9:47 am | Permalink

    I might have sympathy if she had one iota of corroborating evidence. I don’t understand how she could have run out of the house under those circumstances and left her friend behind as the only female in a group of “predatory” men. And if an adult picked her up, why didn’t she return to rescue the other girl? And if an adult picked her up, why didn’t the adult come forward to confirm this part of her “story”. And why didn’t Dr. Ford have any family members present at the Senate hearing to provide support? Her explanation of the events 36 years ago does not pass the smell test.

  77. John Brown
    Posted October 4, 2018 at 9:50 am | Permalink

    FF, Blah blah blah. Gaslight, blah blah blah. Blah blah blah, gaslight.

    You are putting way to much effort into fooling yourself and no one else.

  78. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 4, 2018 at 9:57 am | Permalink

    Ralph G. Blasey, Jr. connections? Reason he would not like to be in the spotlight?

  79. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 4, 2018 at 10:02 am | Permalink

    Almost no effort on this subjecton my part JB. I don’t even like Kavanaugh. I think he is gross. He will probably get confirmed however. When he does I think it would be good for you to meditate on the role you, and people like you, played in his confirmation.

  80. Jean Henry
    Posted October 4, 2018 at 10:27 am | Permalink

    “I’m a white man and I’m not going to take it anymore.”

  81. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 4, 2018 at 10:55 am | Permalink

    You’re a dumbass and you’re not going to win anymore.

  82. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 4, 2018 at 11:25 am | Permalink

    Is innocent until proven guilty really a controversial concept on this website? I can’t tell.

  83. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 4, 2018 at 11:49 am | Permalink

    Oops. I just re-read something I said. (Sorry for the sloppy writing.) I meant to say “Ford said she did NOT hear Kavanaugh and Judge talking downstairs when she was upstairs…..She went on, in an attempt to explain away the problem, when pushed by Mitchell, that she assumed people were talking because people talk at parties (!) and she remembers people talking when she exited the house, so she assumed they were also talking when she was in the bathroom.

    Category mistake: Recalling a memory vs. situational reconstruction via reasoning.

  84. John Brown
    Posted October 4, 2018 at 11:51 am | Permalink

    The entire Republican party is now a co-dependent partner in an abusive relationship. But they’re going stick with their man for the sake of the fetuses.

  85. wobblie
    Posted October 4, 2018 at 11:57 am | Permalink

    No one is proving anyone guilty. In employment situations, which this is, the standard of evidence is in fact much lower. Accusations of bad behavior are frequently all that is needed to send employers looking for some one else. People lose their jobs all the time for acting like Kavanaugh. The whole purpose of this hearing was to determine the CHARACTER of the man. It seems pretty obvious to me that I would never hire him for any position. It does not matter one iota if he is guilty of this particular act. His defense demonstrates that he is an entitled asshole. I do not believe any of his testimony at this point—“I worked my ass off the get into Yale”, yea, everyone who attends college believes they worked for it, he just also happened to be a legacy admission. “I drink beer, some times too much, but never such that I blacked out”—yea right.

    Kavanaugh he is nothing but a political hack. It is one thing to put a political hack into a position they can easily be removed from in the future, it is quite another to put some one into a position of power over all the rest of us for life.

    FF, you need to do a lot more research into how ” justice” works in this country.

  86. Lynne
    Posted October 4, 2018 at 12:10 pm | Permalink

    FF, have you ever talked to anyone who has experienced significant trauma about the event? Combat veterans for example or victims of violent crimes? I have. There is really nothing unusual about Ford’s memories.

  87. wobblie
    Posted October 4, 2018 at 12:24 pm | Permalink

    https://www.law.com/2018/10/03/900-law-profs-say-kavanaugh-lacks-judicial-temperament-in-letter-to-senate/

    Those who state Kavanaugh lacks the temperament for being a judge just keeps growing

  88. wobblie
    Posted October 4, 2018 at 12:41 pm | Permalink

    and growing

    https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/409775-national-council-of-churches-calls-for-kavanaughs-nomination-to

  89. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 4, 2018 at 12:41 pm | Permalink

    Wobblie,

    I don’t like Kavanaugh at all. I am not advocating for his confirmation. I hope he is not confirmed. I am saying, short of “proving it”, it is our duty to maintain he is innocent of sexually assaulting Ford. Period. Allowing for wiggle room in the principle of “innocent until proven duty” is unacceptable. The moral spirit and intent of the principle exists outside of legal systems. Human rights and the protections afforded by them do not gain legitimacy because they are encoded in a fucking legal system. Judgments made outside of a legal/criminal system are not majically immune from basic fucking moral principles. Jesus.

  90. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 4, 2018 at 12:49 pm | Permalink

    Lynne,

    Her testimony was not odd because she did not remember some things and remembered other things. Her testimony was odd in places because she made, at times, category mistakes with regard to her own discription of the type of processes involved in her account. Situational reconstruction is not memory recall. She knows this. She ought to be able to keep it straight. Instead we see sloppy categorization by her. Odd.

    There are other reasons her testimony was odd. I don’t have time to explain all of this stuff.

  91. Anonymous
    Posted October 4, 2018 at 1:08 pm | Permalink

    Welcome back, little green selector.

  92. iRobert
    Posted October 5, 2018 at 7:21 am | Permalink

    The Senate Judicial Committee will be voting this morning to send the nomination to the full senate.

    It’s clear Dr. Ford is telling the truth as she remembers it. No doubt her memory is imperfect. As was the way she handled it at the time. She was 15.

    Kavanaugh’s behavior during his testimony was so bad and bizzare it clearly disqualified him from being a judge by any reasonable standard. Republicans don’t give a shit.

    The FBI’s reopening of the investigation was rediculiously limited in its scope, and did not resolve any questions. The Republicans won’t acknowledge that, and do not give a shit.

    Kavanaugh will almost certainly be confirmed by the full Senate, with Collins and Flake voting in favor of confirmation. If either one of them chooses not to confirm, Manchin or one other Democrat will vote to confirm.

    I predict more damning information about Kavanaugh will be made public after the confirmation, and it will cause more chaos and contention.

  93. Concerned Michiganian
    Posted October 5, 2018 at 10:02 am | Permalink

    Vote YES!! No more crooked partisan gerrymandering!!! Fair voting for ALL!!

    #Whitmer2018 #BlueWave2018 #CleanYpsi #KeepYpsiClean

    “A proposed constitutional amendment to establish a
    commission of citizens with exclusive authority to adopt
    district boundaries for the Michigan Senate, Michigan
    House of Representatives and U.S. Congress, every 10 years
    This proposed constitutional amendment would:
    • Create a commission of 13 registered voters randomly
    selected by the Secretary of State:
    – 4 each who self-identify as affiliated with the 2
    major political parties; and – 5 who self-identify as
    unaffiliated with major political parties.
    • Prohibit partisan officeholders and candidates, their
    employees, certain relatives, and lobbyists from serving as
    commissioners.
    • Establish new redistricting criteria including geographically
    compact and contiguous districts of equal population,
    reflecting Michigan’s diverse population and communities of
    interest. Districts shall not provide disproportionate
    advantage to political parties or candidates.
    • Require an appropriation of funds for commission
    operations

  94. iRobert
    Posted October 5, 2018 at 10:58 am | Permalink

    Senator Manchin (D-WV) voted with the Republicans to advance the vote. Senator Murkowski (R-AK) voted with the Democrats against advancing the Kavanaugh vote. Those were the only two senators who broke with their parties on the vote to advance to a confirmation vote. Democrats would need two more senators to join them to reject the confirmation. I’m pretty confident they won’t get them. I expect the final vote to be identical to this vote to advance.

  95. Steve Schmidt by proxi
    Posted October 5, 2018 at 11:27 am | Permalink

    Sen Collins was a YES on cloture for Betsy DeVos, but a NO on her final vote. And many senators in the past have voted YES on clotures but no on final votes.

    Conversely, a NO on cloture almost always means a NO on the final vote. That means the GOP has no margin for error now. Joe Manchin will *NOT* put himself in a position to be the 50th vote tomorrow. That means *BOTH* Flake and Collins need to be a YES for Kavanaugh to be confirmed.

    Predictions and Possibilities:

    Murkowski will be a NO.

    Flake/Collins both YES = Manchin YES (51-49) = 60% chance

    One of Flake/Collins NO = Manchin NO (49-51) = 20% chance

    Both of Flake/Collins NO = Manchin NO (48-52) = 20% chance

    This thing will *NOT* end 50-50. Manchin will defer voting until all other 99 Senators have voted. He will then be the 51st to confirm, or the 51st/52nd to deny. There is no circumstance where the tally will be 49-50 and Manchin becomes the 50th YES.

    Murkowski today, like Heitcamp yesterday, has now put Joe Manchin in a box. The only way he votes YES for the nomination is if BOTH Flake and Collins vote YES.

  96. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 5, 2018 at 11:47 am | Permalink

    Di-Fi after reading the FBI report

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3kkRjfSx9U

  97. EOS
    Posted October 5, 2018 at 2:58 pm | Permalink

    Collins says yes. Looks like 51 – 49.

  98. iRobert
    Posted October 5, 2018 at 9:00 pm | Permalink

    I would prefer a 50-50 split so the VP cast the deciding vote. I also think the Democrats would benefit more from that.

  99. EOS
    Posted October 6, 2018 at 4:56 am | Permalink

    Sorry, but I doubt the Democrats will benefit from this debacle. This will energize the Republican vote. The rest of the country does not want to accept the Democratic “guilty until proven innocent” standard. The MSM fake news media spread the gang rape story, not because they had any evidence, but because the man does not conform to their political ideology. SMH

  100. Anonymous
    Posted October 6, 2018 at 7:13 am | Permalink

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Park_jogger_case

  101. John Galt
    Posted October 6, 2018 at 7:14 am | Permalink

    Newt Gingrich had a great comment today. I couldn’t have written better myself.

    “President Trump’s patiece and discipline in letting the Supreme Court debate focus on Judge Kavanaugh was a high point of his presidency. He allowed the space to grow for Judge Kavanaugh and Senators Graham and Collins to define the case for decency and fairness.”

  102. iRobert
    Posted October 6, 2018 at 7:32 am | Permalink

    We’ll see, EOS.

    I think there are going to be more details coming out about Kavanaugh after he is confirmed.

  103. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 6, 2018 at 8:32 am | Permalink

    At first, I thought the confirmation of Kavanaugh would definitely hurt the right and benefit the left. Now I am not so sure.

    The right is putting into focus that they are the party of “free speech” and “innocent until proven guilt”. Think about how powerful that is. Think about how readily the left gives away the immense power contained within those principles. Look at Facebook criticizing their employee Kaplan as if that is normal. Look at the ACLU taking a stand against Kavanaugh. WTF is the left doing? Where is the internal criticism within the left?

    The left will never win if they are willing to give away basic American principles like they are giving away nothing. Those principles they are giving away are not nothing they are everything.

    So yeah, I think a few people might be making it to the polls to vote for things they are willing to die for.

  104. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 6, 2018 at 9:08 am | Permalink

    Terrible thing to be on the wrong side of

    https://imgur.com/HtlD8oh

  105. Jean Henry
    Posted October 6, 2018 at 9:35 am | Permalink

    Crowds at the Trump Rally yelling ‘lock her up’ re a sexual assault survivor. This s the world we live in.

  106. Jean Henry
    Posted October 6, 2018 at 9:39 am | Permalink

    HW’s hero– https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-defunded-legal-services-trafficking_us_5b3fbeade4b07b827cc0517c

  107. Jean Henry
    Posted October 6, 2018 at 9:44 am | Permalink

    HW’s chart shows ICE arrests as Human Trafficking arrests. http://gregladen.com/blog/2018/03/31/the-truth-about-trumps-human-trafficking-claim/

  108. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 6, 2018 at 9:59 am | Permalink

    Your criticism would carry more weight if you, or anyone here, would have spoke out against the anti Kavanaugh chants of “lock him up” from a week ago.

    We need mirrors. Lots of mirrors.

  109. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 6, 2018 at 10:32 am | Permalink

    That’s some old shit, Jean Henry. There have been huge busts since then. There were before that too. Operation Broken Heart

    https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=xNS4W4y5EMO0jwTumKjIAw&q=operation+broken+heart&btnK=Google+Search&oq=operation+broken+&gs_l=psy-ab.3.0.0l10.658.3364..4426…0.0..0.66.896.17……0….1..gws-wiz…….0i131.XN8P11O7O24

    Nothing you say pans out. You might as well start preaching Trump for as good as your track record is. The opposite of what you say is always what actually happens.

  110. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 6, 2018 at 10:56 am | Permalink

    Not one thing on this site has panned out since I’ve been on here before the Great Ass-Beating of ’16. Think about that. Not one of your little anti-Trump trips has added up to shit.

    I’m still here saying the same things I said all along. Now it is obvious the economy is beating that ass, Korean peace seems inevitable, NAFTA is gone, taxes are down, Russian collusion (at least by Trump) is dead, Deep Staters under investigation now…I’d say it’s going pretty damn well. Not for you though. You guys are losing every time.

  111. Rat
    Posted October 6, 2018 at 2:36 pm | Permalink

    McConnell thanks “the mob” against Kavanaugh for giving GOP a “great political gift” before midterms

  112. iRobert
    Posted October 6, 2018 at 2:42 pm | Permalink

    The senate is about to vote to confirm.

  113. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 6, 2018 at 2:50 pm | Permalink

    Rent-a-Mob trying to disrupt. What George Soros has been reduced to.

  114. iRobert
    Posted October 6, 2018 at 3:03 pm | Permalink

    Kavanaugh confirmed 50-48

  115. EOS
    Posted October 6, 2018 at 5:19 pm | Permalink

    I think Murkowski did a nice thing letting the other Senator attend his daughter’s wedding.

  116. iRobert
    Posted October 6, 2018 at 5:38 pm | Permalink

    I’m in favor of putting dramatically unqualified people on the Supreme Court. Ideally, the entire court system should be populated by perpetually drunk frat boys. I’m getting impatient. As a typical American, I don’t have the attention span for this slow-motion collapse of civilization. I want to binge watch the entire collapse NOW!

  117. Jean Henry
    Posted October 6, 2018 at 6:18 pm | Permalink

    “Not one thing on this site has panned out since I’ve been on here before the Great Ass-Beating of ’16.” Not in any way true. We all understand what a GOP majority in the house and senate means along with Trump as President. I dont know too many people here who had any illusion that Kavanaugh wouldn’t be confirmed. Saying we didn’t want him to or that he is unqualified or speaking to the need to resist is not the same as saying we believe he won’t be confirmed. I said the opposite many many times here. As did others.

    Maybe after November, we on the left will win a few more battles, but I’m not even confident of that. Right now, as you know, we have little chance of getting anything we want. We still believe resistance is necessary.

    HW you keep fighting and winning battles in your head that don’t exist. It’s quite the delusion.

  118. Jean Henry
    Posted October 7, 2018 at 12:00 am | Permalink

    “The cruelty of the Trump administration’s policies, and the ritual rhetorical flaying of his targets before his supporters, are intimately connected. As Lili Loofbourow wrote of the Kavanaugh incident in Slate, adolescent male cruelty toward women is a bonding mechanism, a vehicle for intimacy through contempt. The white men in the lynching photos are smiling not merely because of what they have done, but because they have done it together.

    “We can hear the spectacle of cruel laughter throughout the Trump era. There were the border-patrol agents cracking up at the crying immigrant children separated from their families, and the Trump adviser who delighted white supremacists when he mocked a child with Down syndrome who was separated from her mother. There were the police who laughed uproariously when the president encouraged them to abuse suspects, and the Fox News hosts mocking a survivor of the Pulse Nightclub massacre (and in the process inundating him with threats), the survivors of sexual assault protesting to Senator Jeff Flake, the women who said the president had sexually assaulted them, and the teen survivors of the Parkland school shooting. There was the president mocking Puerto Rican accents shortly after thousands were killed and tens of thousands displaced by Hurricane Maria, the black athletes protesting unjustified killings by the police, the women of the #MeToo movement who have come forward with stories of sexual abuse, and the disabled reporter whose crime was reporting on Trump truthfully. It is not just that the perpetrators of this cruelty enjoy it; it is that they enjoy it with one another. Their shared laughter at the suffering of others is an adhesive that binds them to one another, and to Trump.”
    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/10/the-cruelty-is-the-point/572104/

  119. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 7, 2018 at 12:27 am | Permalink

    None of these allegations panned out and you back them. That’s exactly the kind of thing I’m talking about. Look at how efficiently I rebuke you. I don’t have to type and type a bunch of bullshit like you do. I could have made this paragraph a single sentence and still have easily wiped out what you just said.

  120. iRobert
    Posted October 7, 2018 at 4:46 am | Permalink

    I do think Hyborian Warlord is the greatest commenter this blog has ever seen.

  121. Sad
    Posted October 7, 2018 at 6:35 am | Permalink

    Undoubtedly

  122. Anonymous
    Posted October 7, 2018 at 6:59 am | Permalink

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/10/06/marijuana-damaged-teenagers-brains-more-than-alcohol-study-finds/1539574002/

  123. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 7, 2018 at 8:35 am | Permalink

    But then you have to consider the implications of all your ideas being destroyed by someone you think has brain damage.

  124. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 7, 2018 at 11:43 am | Permalink

    Serwer’s thesis: They are mean.

    Trash article.

  125. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 7, 2018 at 12:28 pm | Permalink

    “Anonymous
    Posted October 2, 2018 at 9:32 pm | Permalink
    Meanwhile Don Jr. is posting conspiracy theories about Dr. Ford being coached on how to fool a polygraph test.
    https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1047309366800646144

    Dork, you can’t even read but you are calling weeed smokers brain damaged? What is wrong that you can’t understand basic details? It’s her ex-boyfriend saying he saw her coaching someone on how to take one. That’s what you opened with but you glossed over it and got it wrong. You say it’s a conspiracy theory as a form of ridicule but you don’t even understand the simplest facts about it. That makes you ridiculous. You deserve the ridicule that you try to lay on others and are so wrong about.

  126. Sad
    Posted October 7, 2018 at 2:58 pm | Permalink

    Take it easy FF and HW, a lot of us feel Sad. You don’t have to kick us while we’re down.

  127. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 7, 2018 at 7:23 pm | Permalink

    If you can’t take it then don’t dish it out.

  128. Jean Henry
    Posted October 8, 2018 at 8:28 am | Permalink

    FF— Sewer’s thesis is they are cruel and that they are bonded and energized through their cruelty. Tribalism 101.

    I thought you were opposed to identity politics?

    Are you only ok with it when it binds those already in power so that they can protect and preserve their dominance?

  129. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 8, 2018 at 9:24 am | Permalink

    Jean,

    His thesis that “they are mean” is one of the grossest possible examples of someone expressing the logic of identity politics. He cut out a class;and attributed to that cut-out class a negative (and general) trait; and then he made his trash article public.

    Complete garbage.

  130. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 8, 2018 at 11:13 am | Permalink

    Nice vs. Mean

    2020

    Deciding the fate of humanity: Which side will you choose?

  131. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 11, 2018 at 11:28 am | Permalink

    “Lynne
    Posted October 3, 2018 at 8:31 pm | Permalink
    I tried to find a verified quote of Hillary Clinton calling women who were accusing her husband of rape, “bimbos” but was unable to. The closest I could find was her referring to his affaires as “bimbo eruptions” which of course is no where near as deplorable as President Pussy Grabber mocking a rape victim”

    https://twitter.com/kathleenwilley/status/784803445098242048?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E784803445098242048&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbsnews.com%2Fnews%2Fwho-are-the-women-in-trumps-facebook-live-video%2F

  132. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 11, 2018 at 12:05 pm | Permalink

    You call rape an “affair” (might want to sell a couple of those extra vowels in your spelling) when it comes to Hillary’s hubby.

  133. Lynne
    Posted October 11, 2018 at 12:20 pm | Permalink

    I tend to believe rape victims but I also acknowledge that sometimes women really do make false accusations, often for political reasons. This is why I am 100% ok with a high standard of proof in criminal cases. I also think that such allegations should be investigated.

    Bill Clinton is one of the most heavily investigated men in our country. Rape allegations against him HAVE been investigated and not in the superficial way that the rape allegations against Kavanaugh were investigated. I acknowledge that such an investigation doesn’t mean that he didn’t do it. I personally think that he probably did and I believe Juanita Broaddrick and others mostly. Still, I can see how his wife might believe him after all of that. He was proven to have had many affairs. He was never proven to have raped anyone. I would go so far as to say that the proof of that doesn’t exist as is very common in sexual assault cases.

    So yes, while I WAS able to find an instance of Hillary Clinton calling what I am sure she believed to be consensual affairs “bimbo eruptions”, I have not found a single instance where she called a rape victim a bimbo.

    You are trying to make something about of nothing. There is nothing there other than some weird irrational hatred of the Clintons you seem to harbor.

  134. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 11, 2018 at 2:03 pm | Permalink

    You might think you are sure but that means nothing, doesn’t it? Why are you calling an alleged rape an affair? You call Kavanaugh a rapist with nothing but stories no one corroborated. You say you believe victims but you can’t even admit Juanita Broaddrick accused Clinton of rape. Is there anyone as hypocritical as you for miles around?

  135. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 11, 2018 at 2:08 pm | Permalink

    You are saying Willey, Broaddrick and Jones were affairs? So when a woman accuses Bill Clinton of assault or a brutal rape she is lying for political purposes. She was the slutty trailer trash bimbo who seduced him and then turned and lied about it, claiming it was rape. Is that right?

  136. iRobert
    Posted October 11, 2018 at 2:39 pm | Permalink

    I assume Hillary doesn’t keep all the children she rapes in the pizzeria basement to herself. It would be really selfish for her to not let Bill in on that action.

  137. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 11, 2018 at 2:52 pm | Permalink

    Is it fashionable for people who know nothing about pizzagate to quip about the basement at Comet Ping Pong? Yes it is. Does it make you feel smart to repeat something so stupid? Probably does, huh? Oh, IT NEVER EVEN HAD A BASEMENT!!! Right? Problem is, Mr. Smarty Pants – it wasn’t about a basement. If some people thought the Sasha Lord birthday party was under Comet then so what? You don’t even know what I am talking about, do you? You have to look at the jimmy comet instagram posts and related material to know what pizzagate is.

  138. Anonymous
    Posted October 11, 2018 at 3:02 pm | Permalink

    http://www.orchidrecoverycenter.com/blog/your-emotional-age-gets-stuck-with-drug-addiction/

    https://www.clearviewtreatment.com/does-addiction-stop-my-emotional-growth

    https://www.recovery.org/act-your-age-recovering-your-emotional-immaturity/

    Debating HW is lost cause.

  139. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 11, 2018 at 3:12 pm | Permalink

    I don’t know how someone like Lynne or Jean lives with their self.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/juanita-broaddrick-accuses-democrats-of-double-standard-in-their-response-to-sex-assault-allegations

    “These are the same people that refused to read my deposition with Ken Starr back in 1999. Not one Democrat would read it. [Chuck] Schumer, [Dianne] Feinstein, [Dick] Durbin — they completely turned their backs on me.”

  140. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 11, 2018 at 3:19 pm | Permalink

    “I personally think that he probably did and I believe Juanita Broaddrick and others mostly.”

    “You are trying to make something about of nothing.”

    Reconcile. If it was rape then it was something or nothing? Oh, it was nothing. It was just rape. Is that what you are saying. You believe her but it’s nothing because of course Hillary would take her hubby’s side. It was justified for her to disbelieve the victims because of her trust that Bill wouldn’t do that.

  141. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 11, 2018 at 5:14 pm | Permalink

    You are right. It is lost. It’s because you are a derpy pinhead with no good arguments just like the others around here. I grow every day. You got stuck back when you were a kid and now your neural plasticity is shot.

  142. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 11, 2018 at 5:26 pm | Permalink

    I’m sure – even trying to call “weeed smokers” drug addicts is so immature it’s ridiculous. You are ridiculous, Anonymous or Iron Derp or whatever name you want to use.

  143. iRobert
    Posted October 11, 2018 at 5:57 pm | Permalink

    I wasn’t attempting to argue anything. I was just joking around about Hillary being a child rapist, and cutting Bill out of that action. I am not at all familiar with the pizzeria or whether or not it has a basement. That’s my story and I’m sticking to it.

    I do see you are growing every day, HW. I am witness to the great becoming.

  144. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 11, 2018 at 6:43 pm | Permalink

    I don’t think pizzagate is funny. I doubt you would if you knew what it is.

  145. iRobert
    Posted October 11, 2018 at 7:03 pm | Permalink

    Have any law enforcement personnel verified any aspect of it? Has any criminal or legal action been taken by anybody? Has a proper investigation of any sort been conducted looking into it? Have any victims been identified or rescued from it?

    If the answer to these questions is “no,” why?

  146. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 11, 2018 at 7:27 pm | Permalink

    I mean anyone can verify the instagram posts with their own eyes. You have to do that to understand what people are concerned about. As far as nailing anyone for crimes already I don’t know. Certainly law enforcement has been asked to investigate. James Alefantis, the pizza shop owner was in I think it was GQ’s Top 50 Most Powerful People in D.C. list. Consider the implications of that when asking your questions.

  147. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 11, 2018 at 7:44 pm | Permalink

    Anyway I was roasting Lynne over allegation hypocrisy when you brought that up out of the blue. Now she went and slinked off to go pretend like nothing happened.

  148. Sad
    Posted October 12, 2018 at 3:20 am | Permalink

    HW do you know what goes on at The Wurst Bar?

  149. wobblie
    Posted October 12, 2018 at 4:43 am | Permalink

    Nothing like relying upon GQ to know who the powerful players in Washington are.

  150. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2018 at 7:14 am | Permalink

    No one relies on that. It’s…unexpected to find a pizza shop owner on any such thing though, huh? Look how all you derps try to distract from the mega fucking hypocrisy I highlighted earlier though.

  151. Anonymous
    Posted October 12, 2018 at 7:51 am | Permalink

    I heard that MM was one of the top 50 most powerful people in Ypsilanti. This blog is in the top 5 for Michigan. Who knows what goes on in the basement of the Landline building?

  152. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2018 at 7:57 am | Permalink

    Yeah, it’s a real powerhouse you got here. Puttin’ out lots o’ real strong stuff.

  153. Anonymous
    Posted October 12, 2018 at 8:13 am | Permalink

    And yet here we are…

  154. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2018 at 8:25 am | Permalink

    (sing-songy voice) Wulp, you know what they say: “Wherever you go there you are!”

  155. Anonymous
    Posted October 12, 2018 at 9:13 am | Permalink

    Comments from a person with the emotional age of a thirteen year old boy are not really persuasive.

  156. Frosted Flakes
    Posted October 12, 2018 at 9:23 am | Permalink

    Are you “here”? The first comment on this thread was malinformed nonsense based upon a failure to read. It was pointed out as such. No response whatsoever. Per usual, nobody is home. Which is fine but why bother to try to change the subject? Why try to throw shade on the questioner? Why the constant attempts of misdirection when confronted with basic questions?

  157. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2018 at 9:31 am | Permalink

    Funny coming from you. You stopped developing in grade school and now you are stuck being a little moron for life. You know it. You take pride in being the most obnoxious little piece of shit you can don’t you? “Oh, I feel bad about my life so I’m gonna be as annoying as possible to as many people as I can reach so maybe they will feel how I feel for a while…” That’s you, right? Yes it is.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNGQYnbP1us

  158. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2018 at 9:36 am | Permalink

    That’s right Flakes. They can’t stand knowing I take them apart so easily so they have a little fit to try to deflect. No one is buying that. Bunch of losers around here.

  159. Anonymous
    Posted October 12, 2018 at 9:37 am | Permalink

    https://blogs.psychcentral.com/psychology-self/2017/09/narcissistic-projection/

    Rubber, glue.

  160. Lynne
    Posted October 12, 2018 at 9:42 am | Permalink

    I don’t think I am being a hypocrite. I am saying that the rape allegations made against Bill Clinton, unlike the ones made against Kavenaugh, actually have been investigated very thoroughly. In that context I can see how someone close to him might choose to believe him. I, however, actually do believe the women who have accused Bill. So what? That is my opinion and the worst I can do with it is demand that my senator not vote for him to be a justice on the supreme court. I would do that too. I don’t think Bill Clinton should be on the SCOTUS. I probably wouldn’t vote for him to be president either.

  161. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2018 at 9:43 am | Permalink

    Yeah, that’s what you do. That’s exactly right. I know it’s painful but look at yourself.

  162. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2018 at 9:44 am | Permalink

    Dems would not even look at her deposition, Lynne. I already posted that. Why are you so slow?

  163. Anonymous
    Posted October 12, 2018 at 9:48 am | Permalink

    Stamps feet.

  164. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2018 at 9:49 am | Permalink

    You guys are like a class of people with no neural plasticity left. Fifty years old and your brain is a useless calcified stone. You learn nothing so your ideas will be left in the trash heap of history.

  165. Anonymous
    Posted October 12, 2018 at 9:56 am | Permalink

    It’s very noble of you to help us learn the truth. We’ll try harder, I promise. I think there might be people that would be more up to speed on MLive.

  166. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2018 at 10:04 am | Permalink

    Is not being able to admit you are wrong a trait of narcissism? ‘Cause you were wrong as shit with your very first post in the thread and you have done nothing but try to deflect. I know that is normal for you so you can’t even see it but go back and look.

  167. Anonymous
    Posted October 12, 2018 at 10:07 am | Permalink

    I am glad to finally learn the truth about pizzagate. There was no basement and the own is in a top 50 list. The only thing we can conclude is that the child rape was occurring in full view of pizza eating patrons who were slowly joined the conspiracy. The evidence is on Instagram. HW is helping to guide us to the truth.

  168. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2018 at 10:09 am | Permalink

    Same with Lynne, same with Jean, same with all you derpii.

  169. Anonymous
    Posted October 12, 2018 at 10:52 am | Permalink

    Thanks for honoring us with your presence. I only hope that it makes you as happy as it does us.

  170. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2018 at 11:31 am | Permalink

    I am always happy to destroy ignorance and lies. Hey, you could have been nice like I was for months but you thought it would be a good idea to attack me. Now you are stuck with me exposing your lies all the time.

  171. Lynne
    Posted October 12, 2018 at 12:04 pm | Permalink

    HW, you know…if the one common thing you are experiencing is that everyone else is wrong, it might actually be that YOU are the one who is wrong while everyone else has at least a minimum grasp of reality. Just sayin’

  172. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2018 at 12:18 pm | Permalink

    Lots of people are on the right track. Just not around here. Well, a few of us are but not in your camp. Don’t see how you think you can talk about reality when you have no grasp on it. Juanita Broaddrick is STILL asking for an investigation into the time she said she was raped by Bill Clinton. But what do you say? Something totally outside of…reality. Then you do the projection thingy like you are now. I don’t see a successful argument from any of you against any of this. Why not just admit you have been a huge hypocrite? Narcissists can’t do that, can they?

  173. Anonymous
    Posted October 12, 2018 at 12:58 pm | Permalink

    Psilocybin levels seem off. Don’t mean to be hypocritical, but is it yours or mine?

  174. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2018 at 1:04 pm | Permalink

    Like you know what that is. Do you think it’s effective to be like “…drugs…”? You can’t speak to what I say so it’s go to the well time again for Mr. Derpus.

  175. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2018 at 1:08 pm | Permalink

    Problem is the well is dry. All it is possible to do with that approach is to try to distract from how much ass I beat.

  176. Lynne
    Posted October 12, 2018 at 3:01 pm | Permalink

    The Juanita Broderick case has been investigated as much as it is likely to be. Certainly much more than most rape cases have been investigated. There is no evidence to find. Which doesn’t mean that it didn’t happen. I wonder what evidence Broderick feels will come to light which hasn’t already? What do you think she expects. 7 separate full investigations like they did to Hillary with Benghazi? At some point one has to accept that further investigation will not likely reveal any new information.

    And what do you want out of it anyways. A criminal conviction? That isn’t going to happen. For it to come up if Bill Clinton tries to take some kind of public office? That is already going to happen regardless of any new investigations. Do you want women to go around calling him a rapist? That is definitely already happening. A lot! At least in my feminist spaces online.

  177. Anonymous
    Posted October 12, 2018 at 3:06 pm | Permalink

    You’re so awesome at beating something, that’s for sure. Maybe take it to Deja Vu?

  178. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2018 at 3:08 pm | Permalink

    “The Juanita Broderick case has been investigated as much as it is likely to be. Certainly much more than most rape cases have been investigated.”

    Show me with quotes about the investigation then.

  179. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2018 at 3:13 pm | Permalink

    There’s that creepy fantasizing projection about my sex life again. Gross.

  180. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2018 at 3:16 pm | Permalink

    “And what do you want out of it anyways. A criminal conviction? That isn’t going to happen.”

    I want hypocritical scumbags like you to admit you have an absolute double standard when it comes to rape allegations.

  181. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2018 at 3:24 pm | Permalink

    “Show me with quotes about the investigation then.”

    If you can’t you are full of shit, right?

  182. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2018 at 3:40 pm | Permalink

    Now disappear and pretend this didn’t happen. I couldn’t stand living like that: just making shit up and then slinking off when someone asks for evidence.

  183. Sad
    Posted October 12, 2018 at 4:08 pm | Permalink

    Now are you upset? Or is this just baseline for you? You seem upset to me.

  184. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2018 at 4:14 pm | Permalink

    Somebody said sum’m about FIRED UP!!!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuqLnzEinzE

  185. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2018 at 4:24 pm | Permalink

    Not upset. No, no. I truly enjoy exposing lies like this. It’s turning into kind of a sport. How many lies can I nail you on today?

    More classic heavy metal + drag racing just ‘cuz.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKuuHfMx3CQ

  186. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted October 12, 2018 at 4:58 pm | Permalink

    Nice! …”research” Hahahaha! How come nothing seems to be happening to Trump out of all the times you thought you really had him this time? Bad shit keeps happening to your people though, huh? Firings and findings and grand juries and sealed indictments…If you are not worried you are out of your mind.

    By Stephen Dinan – The Washington Times – Friday, October 12, 2018

    “Hillary Clinton has given up her security clearance in the wake of the scandal over her handling of secret information on her email server, the Senate Judiciary committee revealed Friday.

    Chairman Chuck Grassley also revealed top Clinton aide Cheryl Mills and four others no longer have clearance.

    Mrs. Clinton’s clearance expired at the end of August. The others lost their access privileges in September.

    The state department, in a letter to Mr. Grassley, had said Mrs. Clinton and her aids retained clearance in order to conduct research after she left office.

    The names of the four additional aids besides Ms. Mills were redacted from the state department letter that the committee released.”

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