In their final seconds as a party, the Republicans attempt to push Brett Kavanaugh over the goal line

The above photo, inspired by Margret Atwood’s dystopian novel The Handmaid’s Tale, was taken this morning, outside the Senate chamber where Brett Kavanaugh’s Supreme Court confirmation hearing was being held… Kavanaugh, as I suspect all of you likely know by this point, would represent the deciding vote on the bench on any number of issues, including a woman’s right to make her own reproductive choices. [Republican Senator Susan Collins seems willing to take Kavanaugh at his word when he tells her that Roe v. Wade is “settled law”, but you can be certain, as he was vetted by the Heritage Foundation, that he passed their abortion litmus test, indicating that, if given the opportunity, he’d vote to end abortion.]

Kavanaugh, as some you may recall, has also spoken in the past about his belief that a sitting president should not be subject to criminal investigation or prosecution, which might kind of be relevant at this point in our history, given that our current President is now an unindicted co-conspirator in a federal case. [In a 2009 article published by the Minnesota Law Review, Kavanaugh argues that, “The indictment and trial of a sitting president… would cripple the federal government.” Kavanaugh says in the same law review article that, if a president is truly corrupt, Congress has a means by which to remove him from office through impeachment. As we’ve seen, however, that check against the power of the President doesn’t always hold up under pressure.]

Given that Republican’s argued that President Obama couldn’t even so much as nominate a Supreme Court Justice in an election year, it’s seem hypocritical that the Republicans are now pushing so hard to get Kavanaugh seated before the midterm elections, but they know that Trump’s window gets a little more narrow with every new indictment. And they know, if they want someone to do the bidding of the rich and powerful for the next several decades, Kavanaugh’s there man. Which is why they’re cramming his nomination through, and refusing to release much of anything from the 35-month period during which he served as White House Staff Secretary from July 2003 to May 2006, during which, we can assume, Kavanaugh would have weighed in the Bush administration’s controversial torture policy, among other things.

The Republicans did release an additional 42,000 pages of Kavanaugh documents last night, on the eve of the hearing, but it’s still just a drop in the bucket, as something like 96% of the requested documents have yet to be released, which, as you might imagine, is not the way these things are usually done. [When Elena Kagan was nominated to the bench, nearly every word that she’d written while working for the Clinton administration was made public.]

But the Republicans have the votes, and they hold every lever of power, so, barring some unforeseen development, Kavanaugh will be placed on the bench, just like Neil Gorsuch, who took the seat that rightfully belonged to Merrick Garland… Yes, it looks as though this is a done deal, but we cannot stop fighting. If you have a moment, please call your senators and demand that they stand up and do the right thing, and not allow a President under federal investigation to install a Supreme Court Justice who has said on the record that he does not believe that presidents should be indicted while in office. Putting aside abortion, gay marriage, affirmative action, and any number of other things, we cannot allow this President, who is currently the focus of a corruption investigation, to place on the Supreme Court a man who has given every indication that he would vote to stop the Mueller investigation.

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  1. Posted September 4, 2018 at 8:24 pm | Permalink

    At the risk of being called a conspiracy theorist, I should also mention that I’m still curious about the circumstances surrounding Justice Kennedy’s decision to leave the high court, given his connections to Trump.

  2. Posted September 4, 2018 at 8:26 pm | Permalink

    Speaking of conspiracy theories, feel free to discuss Zina Bash as well.

  3. EOS
    Posted September 4, 2018 at 8:43 pm | Permalink

    False analogy. The handmaidens were forced to have sex and procreate. They had no choice. Today, women choose to engage in sexual activity. They choose not to use contraception or they choose ineffective use of contraceptives. Then they want to choose to have no responsibility for the life they produced and even worse, they claim the right to kill their offspring if they determine it is an inconvenience. Roe v Wade is settled law. And in the decision it was stated that if it was determined that life begins before birth, then the right to life of the unborn would supersede any so called right to privacy. Well, science has determined unequivocally that life begins at conception. We’ve waited 45 years, and suffered 55 million deaths. Now we have the votes and no amount of phone calls or false allegations will be able to stop the process.

  4. Jean Henry
    Posted September 4, 2018 at 9:20 pm | Permalink

    It’s a slippery slope to the handmaids tale once it’s determoned that women’s right to bodily autonomy less important than the state’s interest in her ability to procreate. Which is the central argument of Roe, along with the specious determination that life begins when the fetus can survive outside the womb— Not at conception as EOS states but the line keeps moving shorter as bro natal technology improves. At any rate, Roe v Wade was a badly written decision. It will fall st some point. We need something in its place.

    We need to pass the ERA now.

    Lastly I never bought that white power symbol thing but no one holds their hand like that. For the cameras. Truly bizarre. Anyone know more about Ms Bash?

  5. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 4, 2018 at 9:28 pm | Permalink

    Part Mexican. Part Jewish. Thumb-tip not touching the tip of her index finger. Even if her thumb was touching her index finger the sign would read “PW” not “WP”.

    Does anyone here believe she was trying to flash a “white power” symbol? Is the accusation a real thing or is this just a joke?

  6. Jcp2
    Posted September 5, 2018 at 5:32 am | Permalink

    It’s a M-anon drop. Those not in the know think it’s ridiculous, but that’s because they took the green pill.

  7. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 5, 2018 at 5:51 am | Permalink

    I suppose it is possible Bash is trying to provoke some people. The only thing I find interesting about it is that some people are so easily provoked and in such a general way.

  8. Jean Henry
    Posted September 5, 2018 at 7:27 am | Permalink

    FF believes HW has valid points but is incredulous when Mark indulges a conspiracy theory that he identifies as a conspiracy theory. Whereas HW asserts everything he writes is fact and absolute truth.

    Your double standard is showing again FF.

    I think we’d all take you more seriously if you ever questioned the narrative of people on the right who post here as well. As is, it just plays as partisan righteousness.

    I don’t like that on either side.

  9. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 5, 2018 at 7:49 am | Permalink

    Don’t say I “asserted” something I never did just because you can’t disprove what I say. Why do you lie every day?

    Watch what happened when they tried to put Hillary over the goal line.

  10. M
    Posted September 5, 2018 at 7:51 am | Permalink

    One would think that a woman with Bash’s background wouldn’t be a racist. Then again, one would think that someone with Bash’s background wouldn’t serve on Trump’s immigration team, which has proven to be racists as fuck. If I had to guess, I’d say that she did throw the sign on purpose. Whether or not she considers herself a white nationalist, I don’t know. Again, if I had to guess, I’d say that she just thought that she just saw it as a harmless in-joke. But I think that speaks to the problem. When you’re using the imagery of the white nationalists to “own the libs”, and you’re passing bills that draw praise from what nationalists, aren’t you kind of a white nationalist, even if you don’t think of yourself as such?

  11. BrianB
    Posted September 5, 2018 at 8:08 am | Permalink

    I think it’s more likely that bash was doing the bidding of her boss, Stephen Miller, who seems to delight in the social media chaos of the left arguing about what is and what isn’t worthy of concern in regards to the white nationalism he espouses. He rounded up the Democratic circular firing squad without saying a single word, knowing he would never have to answer for it.

  12. Anonymous
    Posted September 5, 2018 at 8:19 am | Permalink

    Miller may not have to answer for it. But Bash and her family are.

  13. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 5, 2018 at 8:38 am | Permalink

    You should send someone to help out with the screaming whenever a repub talks.

  14. Eel
    Posted September 5, 2018 at 8:46 am | Permalink

    If you have a job that requires you to make white power hand signs on television, you should get a new new job.

  15. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 5, 2018 at 8:57 am | Permalink

    I don’t even know if MM takes the supposed white power sign by Bash seriously or is worried about it specifically, which is why I asked the community if anyone here takes it seriously. Based upon the responses to the Amee Vanderpool twitter message I would say there is some concern out there but I don’t know if it is widespread.

    In general: Why should anyone give a fuck how she positions her hands?Why should anyone give a fuck what label we can put on her? How is the “opportunity”to call someone a “white nationalist” interesting at all?

    Why don’t we, moving forward, all agree to just bring attention to the policy or proposals we have a problem with and we can discuss/debate whether or not, or the extent which, those policies and proposals are unfair, racist, sexist, unjust, etc?

    Assuming the sign was intentional, the key, in my mind, is understanding why the potential in-joke exists as a joke. There is no other learning moment here, imo. What specifically is the butt of the joke? Mocking racism in general? I don’t think so. Try again.

    Many on the left need to take an appraisal of their own logical framework. Until the self appraisal occurs,on a widespread scale, many on the left will be continued to be judged and rightfully mocked by more than half of America.

    And Jean thinks I am worried about being taken seriously here? Now, that is funny!

  16. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 5, 2018 at 9:34 am | Permalink

    When it comes to Bush era documents – be careful what you ask for.

  17. Just Now
    Posted September 5, 2018 at 9:59 am | Permalink

    Sen. Feinstein: “Can a sitting president be required to respond to a subpoena?”

    Supreme Court nominee Kavanaugh: “That’s a hypothetical question … As a matter of the canons of judicial independence, I can’t give you an answer on that hypothetical question.”

  18. BrianB
    Posted September 5, 2018 at 11:07 am | Permalink

    FF, I think it’s pretty obvious that anyone on the left who responds to it is the butt of the joke, either by making them sound like a conspiracy theorist themselves or by getting them to shout down their peers as conspiracy theorists. That they chose to use a hand signal at the start of kavenaugh’s hearing is their way of flipping the bird at the democrats – they’re saying we have the votes and there’s nothing you can do to stop us, and as a bonus they got to remind their Nazi pals that they are still working on their behalf and laugh at anyone who tries to take it seriously.

  19. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 5, 2018 at 11:29 am | Permalink


    I don’t agree. Too general. Assuming it was an intentional gesture as we saw it in other past iterations, it works for the right, as a joke, because it has a specific thing as a target and they know what it is. On the other hand it feels like a general “fuck you” to many on the left because the left, so to speak, does not get the joke or see the intended specific target of the joke.

    This is just my opinion, of course. Like the “ok sign” and the Pepe thing I find the reactions from many on the left very fascinating and often indicative of an underlying problem not yet identified.

  20. EOS
    Posted September 5, 2018 at 11:38 am | Permalink

    Is there a web page somewhere that translates all these hand signals? I’m a little out of the loop. When did OK become WP? I’m never sure which gang a person belongs to either. But I know the hand signal that Kavanaugh is throwing, “Please God, help me get this appointment.”

  21. XXX
    Posted September 5, 2018 at 12:03 pm | Permalink

    EOS, I think there was a story about it in the March 2018 edition of the the KKK newsletter. Check by your toilet.

  22. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 5, 2018 at 12:12 pm | Permalink

    Wait till it comes out what the swamp creatures wanted to do with the SC. LL/BC meeting on the tarmac…HRC exoneration…LL to SC? “They never thought she would lose.”

  23. from twitter
    Posted September 5, 2018 at 3:20 pm | Permalink

    A president named as an unindicted co-conspirator, put in office with the help of a hostile foreign govt, nominates a judge who could be the deciding vote to place him above the law… and senators are having lofty discussions about the rule of law.

  24. John Brown
    Posted September 5, 2018 at 5:35 pm | Permalink

    The Handmaid’s tale political power structure with amoral conmen manipulating the hypocritical religious zealots is the perfect presage to the trumpublicans. They must be purged from elected office ASAP.

  25. Jean Henry
    Posted September 5, 2018 at 10:41 pm | Permalink

    HW— you have in fact asserted many times that you are right about everything. I didn’t put those words in your mouth.

  26. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 5, 2018 at 11:12 pm | Permalink

    I said for you to tell me what I have been proven wrong about. That’s not the same thing as what you said.

  27. Jean Henry
    Posted September 6, 2018 at 8:00 am | Permalink

    I’m not interested in arguing a fool anymore. Nothing you have asserted has come to pass in the way you said it would. Literally nothing. When a prosecution fails to make it’s case, the defense rests. And so do I.

  28. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 6, 2018 at 8:11 am | Permalink

    That’s not true but even if it was I would still be way ahead of you since a whole bunch of shit you have said is factually incorrect. Your comments on McCabe and Strzok for starters.

  29. Jean Henry
    Posted September 6, 2018 at 8:13 am | Permalink

    This is my idea of effective resistance.
    Senator Harris did not get Kavanaugh to admit to the conversation, but she sure made him squirm. I hope others follow up with this line of questioning. The intent is not to somehow prevent Kavanaugh from being approved, but to corner him into admitting a conversation about the Mueller investigation with a member of the law firm representing Trump which if shown, would require Kavanaugh to recuse himself from any future cases relating to the investigation and Presidential powers. Unfortunately, as we learned with Scalia, SCOTUS judges decide individually whether or not to recuse themselves. There is no means of redress if they don’t. I guess we’ll find out if Kavanaugh has as much integrity and respect for the independent judicial process as he claims. I suspect not. Still it was good to see him mad uncomfortable.Small comfort.

  30. Jean Henry
    Posted September 6, 2018 at 8:14 am | Permalink

    HW– I never asserted that I was always right. You did. You cant hold me to standards you set for yourself.

  31. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 6, 2018 at 8:19 am | Permalink

    Prove it then, dummy. Use quotes.

  32. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 6, 2018 at 8:22 am | Permalink

    Now instead of just doing that switch over to a “You are so ridiculous I can’t be bothered to back up what I say” type response.

  33. Jean Henry
    Posted September 6, 2018 at 9:47 pm | Permalink

    Kansugh regered to birth control as ‘abortion inducing drugs’ during the senate hearings. See slippery slope.

  34. Anonymous
    Posted September 7, 2018 at 6:26 am | Permalink

    Bash did it again.

  35. Jean Henry
    Posted September 7, 2018 at 6:43 am | Permalink

    Does it matter? I mean are we even denying the white supremacist stance of the current white house anymore. Even if just meant to provoke liberals, it’s scoffing at the existential fears of a large chunk of Americans. Why are we focused on white supremacy like it;’s some underground movement rather than the way our society, systems and culture have functioned for 600 years. It;’s the fucking basis for our country and if we want to fix it the work is a lot deeper than obsessing about hand signals. You dont need to look for hand signals to find the white supremacy rooted in American governance and society.

  36. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 7, 2018 at 7:01 am | Permalink


  37. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 7, 2018 at 8:15 am | Permalink

    Bummer. I was hoping we could use the Jewish-Mexican- American-multi millionaire-Washington insider-lady- who is not flashing a white power sign as a piece of evidence for the white supremacist stance of our administration.

  38. Jean Henry
    Posted September 7, 2018 at 8:37 am | Permalink

    Scoffing at the long American tradition of racial injustice and enforced systemic inequity is evidence of internalized white supremacist thinking. As much as any hand signal would be.

  39. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 7, 2018 at 9:01 am | Permalink

    Did Bash scoff at America’s racist history? I missed it. That would not be cool at all.

    Or, are you trying to imply that me shining a light on this Bash moment,and the reaction to it, is somehow, magically,on my part, the equivalent of me making light of America’s racist history?

    (I really hope you are not trying to imply the latter because that would be a fucking gross failure of decency and logic on your part.)

  40. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 7, 2018 at 9:35 am | Permalink

    I apologize for coming in a little hot in my last response.

    I am wondering: Who scoffed?

  41. Jean Henry
    Posted September 7, 2018 at 10:16 am | Permalink

    Well HW for one. But you do too. Its constant. If you dont care about these issues of equity and social justice, that’s fine, but how about you cut making fun of the positions of those of us who do. What evidence do you have that we are not a nation founded in the idea of white supremacy that has only partially extracted itself from the fundamental idea thereof: that white people are superior and more capable and competent than people of color? We may have a different ideal, but at all levels of our governance the reality has been the justification of disparate treatment by race based on the inferiority of people of color. So they deserve their limited access to opportunity? Do we deserve our privileged access to it? Is this really a meritocracy when the deck is so stacked? And why the hell is the fear and paranoia that arises from the deep sound and ongoing societal illness of racism in any way funny? I’m not saying those fears always accurate in the minutiae, but the general reality of cultural and systemic racism is undeniable. It’s also not funny.

    Racism can be funny. Defensive scoffing denial of it, isn’t. At least to me.

  42. Jean Henry
    Posted September 7, 2018 at 10:21 am | Permalink

    PS FF: whatever your careful review of the video footage in Cville made you think, the courts ruled differently. So much fo your impartiality. Deander Harris was acquitted and his attackers charged, In court. Please dont tell me you believe that’s systemic racism against white people.

  43. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 7, 2018 at 10:43 am | Permalink

    Two questions:

    1) Again, who, within this conversation, scoffed at America’s racist history?

    2) What is Deandre Harris doing off camera, in the “Duerst the worst”, at 5:33? (To help answer this question follow my instructions in the Charlottesville/Spencer thread. )

  44. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 7, 2018 at 10:58 am | Permalink

    Jean, you have no integrity. You lie, then when you are found out you pretend you never said anything. Don’t tell lies about me. I know that you know nothing BUT lies so just don’t talk about me.

  45. Jean Henry
    Posted September 7, 2018 at 12:37 pm | Permalink

    FF— refer to the court documents.

    HW—I am sorry I ever insulted your integrity Mr Warlord. I understand that the social repercussions of such an assault on your reputation must be difficult to deal with.
    From now on I humbly submit to your omniscience a superiority in every realm, cyber, real and imagined. You are indomitable. I’m awe struck in your presence.

  46. Jean Henry
    Posted September 7, 2018 at 12:40 pm | Permalink

    This reminded me of you Master Warlord.

  47. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 7, 2018 at 12:46 pm | Permalink

    You suck, Jean. You are a cancer to the community. No integrity at all – only lies.

  48. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 7, 2018 at 1:01 pm | Permalink

    Jean, who loves to use fallacious reasoning, appeals to the authority of the judge, here. Jean is a true warrior for Truth and Justice. Thank the lord we can trust our justice system to always conduct itself with impartiality. Am I right Jean? Let’s not double check anything. The cops are always right. The judges are always right. The appeal process is superfluous.

    Here is the problem Jean. In this thread you alleged that I am 1) a white supremacist in my thinking; and 2) not impartial as evidenced by my investigation into the violence in Charlottesville. Yet you refuse to give any evidence. It seems like you would want to give evidence if you believed your truth claim had any truth in it. So I ask again:

    Who scoffed about our nation’s racist history?

    What was Deandre Harris doing at 5:33, off camera, in the “Duerst the worst” video?

  49. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 7, 2018 at 1:16 pm | Permalink

    Jean says I scoff at historical racism. Why is she repeating the same mistake I showed her (again) just yesterday when she couldn’t back up her lie about me? Quotes or it didn’t happen.

    Jean’s definition of racism is racist. It discriminates based on race. In what way does noticing that equal denying that racism exists? It’s projection 100%.

  50. Jean Henry
    Posted September 7, 2018 at 3:44 pm | Permalink

    Do the so-called “HYborian Warlord’ and “Frosted Flakes” really exist, or are they just the Failing with another phony commenter? If those GUTLESS anonymous people do indeed exist, Marl Maynard must, for National Security purposes, turn him/her over to government at once!

  51. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 7, 2018 at 4:01 pm | Permalink

    I would like Jean to provide evidence for her assertions. If it turns out that I have scoffed at historical racism, then so be it. If it turns out I failed to be impartial when collecting video evidence around the violence in Charlottesville then so be it.

    What does not fly and should not fly, are the assertions without evidence. Replies like: “It is in the records” of this blog are not good enough; and, appeals to authority, by requesting I “read the court decision” are not good enough.

    Jean seems to want us to beleive judges are infallible and move onto the next subject….Remind us how we are supposed to feel about the Kavanaugh appointment again?

  52. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 7, 2018 at 4:41 pm | Permalink

    Flakes, we are talking about one of the biggest morons around. She goes around lying every day and can’t back it up. There is no point in trying to reason with her. Laughing at what a moron she is and talking shit about her that is actually true is more fun.

  53. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 7, 2018 at 5:31 pm | Permalink


    Jean lacks credibility in my eyes at this point, unfortunately. I do however think she is a very intelligent person. She has written some of the best stuff on this website, here and there, over the years. She is well read in theory. We have read many of the same good books–I am 100% certain of it. The problem, in my view, is her over-reliance theory when engaging in others. She imports a shit ton of assumptions into her arguments to justify the overlaying of her beloved theoretical blueprints onto whatever situation she sees fit, even when it doesn’t fit, and in the process she fails to see the reality of what is right in front of her nose, and fails to see that her bogus assumptions are for practical purposes just a bunch of lies. Yet I would not call Jean a liar either.

    I do wish Jean would choose to walk me through her evidence that I failed to collect information impartially around the events of Charlottesville. What do you say Jean? Want to walk through the video evidence around Charlottesville together?

  54. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 7, 2018 at 6:00 pm | Permalink

    Whoah, you guys read? Like books? On Theory and shit? That’s on another level. I didn’t realize how deep this pool really is. There must be hidden dimensions to Jean’s posts I have never seen because they are so intelligent.

  55. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 7, 2018 at 6:54 pm | Permalink

    I mostly watch YouTube at this point. Anybody named Jean want to watch some YouTube with me?

  56. stupid hick
    Posted September 7, 2018 at 9:21 pm | Permalink

    “I mostly watch YouTube at this point.”

    Aha, I guess that might explain it. You used to seem smarter and more stable.

  57. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 7, 2018 at 10:02 pm | Permalink

    Funny SH, by my calculations I am one cat video watching session away from being a genius.

  58. Jean Henry
    Posted September 7, 2018 at 11:24 pm | Permalink

    That was awesome.

  59. Jean Henry
    Posted September 7, 2018 at 11:26 pm | Permalink

    The loss of my credibility in the eyes of FF and HW is a wound that cuts deep.

  60. Jean Henry
    Posted September 7, 2018 at 11:38 pm | Permalink

    I would like to retract any misleading or inaccurate comments I’ve made about FF and HW.

  61. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 8, 2018 at 6:44 am | Permalink

    Jean, you are strong with assertions and weak with evidence. I am, again, challenging you to offer evidence that supports your most recent accusations. People who have integrity rise to this type of challenge. How is your research going? Have you had a chance to look at any video evidence of the violence in Charlottesville?

  62. Jean Henry
    Posted September 8, 2018 at 7:58 am | Permalink

    I have no interest in playing in your sandbox FF. I suggest you review the court records from the multiple trials related to your video clip showing antics started it, if you seek some testing of your premise. In most cases, I’m satisfied with the findings of a full trial with a jury, especially three of them. Unfortunately full juries trials rarely happen in our current system.

  63. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 8, 2018 at 8:31 am | Permalink

    It is not my sandbox, Jean, it is yours. I am following your lead, Jean. You made the accusations I want to assist you in double checking whether or not there is truth behind your accusation.

    Search: “DeAndre Harris admits assault as reported in August by @NYtimes”

    I am curious what do you see in the video Jean?

  64. Sad
    Posted September 8, 2018 at 8:35 am | Permalink

    Whoever’s sandbox it is it’s full of the same thing as my cats.

  65. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 8, 2018 at 10:18 am | Permalink

    What exactly do you find shitty Sad? Is it shitty that Jean would accuse me of bias based upon my alleged white supremacist thought processes, without providing me with evidence? Or, is it shitty that I am asking Jean to provide evidence that backs up her accusation?

  66. Juan Cole by Proxi
    Posted September 8, 2018 at 1:57 pm | Permalink

  67. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 9, 2018 at 8:36 am | Permalink

    Jean is comfortable accusing me of bias based upon my own alleged white supremacist thought processes, but Jean is apparently too cowardly to view and comment on a 2 minute YouTube video that directly addresses the status of her accusation.

    Do you have an ounce of integrity Jean? If you do, then prove it.

  68. Sad
    Posted September 9, 2018 at 8:38 am | Permalink

    FF maybe time for another vacation?

  69. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 9, 2018 at 12:42 pm | Permalink


    I never went on vacation. At your request, I imposed, on myself, a two week ban from

    Would you like me to ban myself from, again, Sad?

  70. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted September 11, 2018 at 7:53 pm | Permalink

    Everyone knows the okay sign means 666!

    Plus a neat lil tidbit about the origin of the white power okay sign hoax.

  71. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 11, 2018 at 10:19 pm | Permalink

    One of the originators of the 4chan “o-kkk” hoax gave his reason for creating the hoax, he said: “Leftists have dug so deep down into their lunacy ….We must force [them] to dig in more, until the rest of society ain’t going anywhere near that shit.”

    If this blog is any indication, the leftists, he is referring to, do not need to be forced toward greater lunacy at all. They do it on their own, with pride. And it is not just kookiness. The stink of dishonesty is all over this place and other places just like it. They don’t seem to realize it but there really are big-time consequences attached to that kind of chronic dishonesty. Maybe their situations are good enough that none of their supposed ideals actually need to be realized for them to lead comfortable lives? I don’t know.

  72. Jean Henry
    Posted September 12, 2018 at 11:31 am | Permalink

    FF– What evidence do you have that America is not a White Supremacist nation– in impact not intention?

    Assuming systemic oppression of people of color is a real thing in the US, then why is it that you are so upset when told some of your thinking reflects white supremacist ideology? We all have absorbed some of this nonsense. It’s tied up in our the fundamental American ideal of individual self-determination that we too often believe live in a true meritocracy. It’s a compelling idea. I wish we could move more expediently towards fulfilling that ideal. But we can’t do that if we are unwilling to examine our own assumptions.

    As for self-deluded political ideologies. Both sides are equally susceptible and culpable. I dont actually think you are worse than most people. I come down hard of liberals and radicals too. And on myself, believe it or not. We are not who we believe ourselves to be. This is a time for cultural reckoning, not a defense of the status quo.

  73. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 12, 2018 at 9:23 pm | Permalink



    I am not debating something general here. The existence, status and extent of white supremacy in America is not at all at issue . Why in the world are you giving me all of this general crap now?

    Wobblie gave us a narrative on specific interactions in C-vile. I questioned his narrative by collecting video evidence on and around those specific interactions. You have alleged, and insinuated more than once, that my bias made me see things that did not happen. Your allegation is bullshit apparently because you have not even bothered to comment on the video evidence of the specific events.

    What was Deandre Harris doing off camera at 5:33 of the “Duerst is the wuerst” video?

  74. Jean Henry
    Posted September 12, 2018 at 9:52 pm | Permalink

    I don’t know. Read the court record. It was all reviewed. The court did determine he was trying to leave the fight not charge into it. And at least one of his attackers admitted they were unprovoked. I’m not going to review your video clip. It doesn’t matter to me, that you believe a few seconds of one video overturns the results of three jury trials and legitimizes everything that went down in C-ville or at least the false equivalencies so casually thrown about.

    When you are certain you know the truth of an event to which you were not a party, because of a video clip, you are simply demonstrating repeatedly your own narrative bias. Whether or not you are right, your insistence is telling.

  75. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 13, 2018 at 8:06 am | Permalink


    I know you don’t know. The very thing you don’t know anything about is the very basis upon which you felt comfortable accusing me of a white-supremacy-perspective-bias.

    Please note: I have never made any comment on which one of the guys Alt-right guys in the c-ville violence deserved punishment or deserved to not be punished. Never. Rather, following Wobblie’s description of events, which read: “Groups of Nazi then roamed through town beating up black folks. One [deandre harris] was beaten on video in a parking structure. ” ; I tried to provide video evidence, as context, for the violence against Deandre Harris. I challenged Wobblie’s narrative of that specific, and very important, event.

    Also, Pretty sure there was no jury in the Deandre Harris case. Also, Harold Crews did not show up. Why? Also, Deandre Harris was caught speeding, with a loaded assault rifle prior to his court date. No penalty. Why? Also, pretty sure the Alt Right is making a documentary about C-Ville. Want to bet the release will be timely?

    Living in an unjust world is the penalty for those who can’t be bothered to learn the truth. You can choose to keep yourself willfully ignorant Jean, making accusations from ignorance, but there are consequences. My interaction with you is a microcosm of what is wrong with the left. Our conversations illustrates, on a small scale, why we have Trump. Trump is your president more than he is anyone else’s president.

    PS. Since you put so much stock in the Court Judgment–the judge is quoted as saying: “It is clear Harold Crews did nothing wrong…It is clear there were bad people on both sides”.

  76. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 13, 2018 at 8:33 am | Permalink

    Also, Jean, it is a mistake to assume I am basing anything on a video clip. I watched hours and hours of live stream very carefully. I gave YOU a two minute, edited, video clip, because you apparently are either too stubborn, too lazy, or too much enjoying the perceived convenience of your own ignorance, to actually review video evidence around Charlottesville. Ignorance by itself is ok Jean. Your accusations that are rooted in your own ignorance are not ok Jean.

  77. Jcp2
    Posted September 13, 2018 at 9:34 am | Permalink

    It’s sad that hours of hours of painstaking work was done by an anonymous poster for a gotcha moment that never happened on an obscure blog. So frustrating. So tense. Maybe take up swimming as a hobby?

  78. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 13, 2018 at 10:49 am | Permalink

    Apparently, Jcp2 does not think there are people who actually want to pursue the truth primarily for its own sake. Why does your wishy-washy stance on truth and lies not surprise me JCP2?

  79. Lynne
    Posted September 13, 2018 at 11:27 am | Permalink

    I just wish Jean examined her own bigotry in the same way she expects FF to. Just pointing that out. I don’t think you are hard on yourself at all.

  80. Jcp2
    Posted September 13, 2018 at 1:50 pm | Permalink

    If you wanted to pursue truth for its own sake and found it, watching the video and discovering it would have been great. If you wanted to share it, which you have done, that would also be great. You seem to want to do more with it, and are unable, and seem frustrated. Sad! A real truth seeker would be truthful about their identity. I’m obviously posting under a pseudonym, so I freely can say that truthiness is not my highest priority here.

  81. wobblie
    Posted September 13, 2018 at 3:04 pm | Permalink

    On May 1, 2018, white supremacist Jacob Scott Goodwin was convicted of the malicious wounding of Harris by a Charlottesville jury, which recommended a sentence of 10 years imprisonment and a $20,000 fine.[31]

    On May 3, 2018, Alex Michael Ramos was convicted of malicious wounding by a jury in Charlottesville. They recommended a six year sentence with no fine.[32]

    On May 21, 2018, Daniel Patrick Borden was found guilty of malicious wounding by a judge in Charlottesville. Sentencing is expected in October 2018.[32]

    Looks like juries convicted two of the assailants. Easy to find out.

    In Michigan video tape evidence is only admissible (as non-hearsay evidence) in court if there is an eye witness to testify as to what is being recorded on the video tape. That is required because so much can be left out of a video which is only showing a small portion of a 360 degree of activity. What ever you believe you saw on the video, eye witnesses testified to other events and thus a jury found the thugs guilty.

    It is also why body cams on police are only some what useful. The cop wearing them is an eye witness and can easily testify to other events occurring out of the view of the camera which exonerate them.

  82. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 13, 2018 at 8:18 pm | Permalink

    Jcp2: Do I need to remind you that Jean is the one, who, as you say, is “trying to do something” with my commentary on the Charlottesville thread. Jean brought up Charlottesville again (!) because she wrongly imagined it would illustrate my commitment to white supremacy thought processes and bias. The problem, of course, is Jean, in this case, does not know what she is talking about. Her accusation here is rooted in her own ignorance and bias. See how that works?

    Regarding having a psuedonym instead of a real name: Who cares? What is your point? The truth is truth. Lies are lies.

    Regarding my supposed frustration: You don’t know what you are talking about. I am not frustrated at all. Why should anyone care if I was frustrated? What is your point?

    Your remarks are so fucking weird.

    Wobblie: What is the point of giving me a list of guys convicted in the Deandre Harris beating? Some of the guys who beat Deandre Harris should go to jail. When have I ever said anything otherwise? Hint: I never said all of the alt-right guys involved in the beating of Deandre Harris were innocent. Never.

    One more time, Wobblie: What was Deandre Harris doing at 5:33 of the “Duerst is the Wuerst” video.

  83. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 13, 2018 at 8:32 pm | Permalink

    Wobblie, My theory is that the Harold Crews group actually wanted Deandre to go unconvicted. Harold Crews did not show up to the court date. I have reason to believe the Harold Crews group (he is an attorney) are making a documentary about the C-ville violence and the iconic moment, and the narrative we were spoon fed by the msm, will be revisited when they feel the time is right. Punishing Deandre is not particularly important in my opinion. What is important is that the left confronts and acknowledges basic facts here and in other places. The failure of the left to confront facts, in general, functions as a uniting force for the right.

  84. Sad
    Posted September 14, 2018 at 8:10 am | Permalink

    FF – the voice of reason.

    I hear it’s nice up north this time of year.

  85. Frosted Flakes
    Posted September 14, 2018 at 11:23 am | Permalink

    Life seems to be unfair to poor Sad. In a horrible turn of events, Sad finds himself reading things on the internet he does not want to read. In a show of respect for what seems to be Sad’s sincere wish: A moment of silence for Sad.

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