Donald Trump didn’t drain the swamp, but he’s filling the shithole

My intention was to spend my time this evening researching changes to the Medicaid program announced today by the Trump administration that will give states the ability to refuse Medicaid to any individual who is not either working, going to school, acting as caregiver, or participating in some sanctioned form of “community engagement”. But, then, I received the above message from the Washington Post, and my plans changed…. It isn’t every day, after all, that one can use the word “shithole” in a headline.

This afternoon, in the Oval Office, during a discussion about immigration, our President, Donald Trump, posed the following question. “Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?”, he asked the assembled Senators, who, as I understand it, had been discussing the what to do about the immigrants from from Haiti, El Salvador and African countries that are currently living in the United States. Then, after saying that, the President, according to several sources, suggested that, instead of allowing in immigrants from such places, we instead just take immigrants from countries like Norway. As I understand it, he didn’t explicitly note the fact that Norwegians are, for the most part, white, whereas immigrants from these other nations are, for the most part, non-white, but I think everyone in the room got the subtext.

If this had happened earlier in his presidency, I might have thought that Trump had said it in hopes of attracting attention away from the fact that, because of today’s guidance to state Medicaid directors, about 11 states will likely start kicking people off of Medicaid, or the fact that he’s getting ready to announce what the rest of us knew years ago, which is that the idea of an actual border wall is both impractical and stupid. But, really, I think he’s just an old, fucking racist who can’t help himself from saying things like this when they pop into his head. And, sadly, at least in this instance, he’s not just hurting the hardworking immigrants from these so-called “shithole” nations who make their home here, but also our standing with allies in Latin America and Africa, who, among other things, are critical in the global fight against terrorist organizations… But this is apparently who we are now — the nation of Trump — where, at this very minute, Tucker Carlson is celebrating the President’s refreshing honesty on Fox news, and racist sheriff Joe Arpaio, after being pardoned by Trump, is now working on his Senate campaign.

And, for that it’s worth, this shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone. This is the same Donald Trump who, despite evidence, wanted the death penalty for the Central Park Five, and then questioned whether or not the first black President of the United States was actually as “American” as the rest of us. He’s always been an insidious racist, and, if we’re being honest, that’s one of the main reasons he won the 2016 election.

UPDATE: The President this morning denied having said these racist things. Democrat Senator Durbin, who was in meeting with the President, then went on record confirming that he had. “He said these hate-filled things,” Durbin said. Here’s video of Durbin.

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189 Comments

  1. Posted January 11, 2018 at 10:07 pm | Permalink

    Frank Luntz just pointed out the following:

    43% of immigrants from “shithole” African countries have a bachelor’s degree or higher, compared to 33% of the overall American population…. Nigerian-Americans, for instance, have a median household income well above the American average.

  2. Iron Lung
    Posted January 12, 2018 at 1:21 am | Permalink

    I think the US is a racist shithole. I can’t wait to get the fuck out of here again.

  3. Jean Henry
    Posted January 12, 2018 at 4:19 am | Permalink

    Totally depressing.

    As for diversionary tactics; I’ve always held that Trump is racist and a dangerous idiot, but that it was his handlers who let him loose or restrain him based on whether they want the media diversion. Lately they’ve been trying to control him by managing what information he gets or doesn’t, which is next level…

    I never thought Trump was calculating. He’s reactive. He won because he watched the applause meter and just repeated whatever got the most audience cheers (by his own account) not because he had any agenda, precisely because he didn’t. And there ain’t no dog whistle in US politics quite like racism.

    I think Trump says what many in America believe but don’t say. Centering and privileging all things Western European is not exactly unusual in American politics, media or culture. Trump just makes it plain. He assumes these ways of thinking, because they exist throughout our culture. He didn’t think them up consciously; he absorbed them. And when he repeated them, he got big cheers.

    And that is exactly how the right wing media is responding to these comments. They honestly have no idea what we are upset about. Trump has what they call ‘common sense.’ His thinking is not unique, but common…

    As for Medicaid, the people I know on it were on it precisely because they were too ill or disabled to work. Without it they would die. This is a horror.

  4. Jean Henry
    Posted January 12, 2018 at 4:35 am | Permalink

    “CNN’s Kaitlin Collins told Wolf Blitzer on Thursday evening that White House staffers predict the comment would not be a problem and could help Trump resonate with his base.”

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/ann-coulter-on-trumps-shithole-remark-hes-trying-to-win-me-back/article/2645695

  5. YpsiLiz
    Posted January 12, 2018 at 5:54 am | Permalink

    Would someone please explain why we don’t see parades of his voters in the streets wearing sackcloth and ashes while beating their breasts in shame? Or, better yet, signing up in droves with various social service organizations that help the folks the government is abandoning….

  6. Jean Henry
    Posted January 12, 2018 at 6:57 am | Permalink

    Fox News, Liz.

  7. Jean Henry
    Posted January 12, 2018 at 7:19 am | Permalink

    I think Trump may kill me. I’m stress eating chocolate at 7am after reading this. https://www.wsj.com/articles/transcript-of-donald-trump-interview-with-the-wall-street-journal-1515715481

  8. Anonymous
    Posted January 12, 2018 at 7:50 am | Permalink

    The U.N. human rights office says the comments, if confirmed, were “shocking and shameful” and “racist.”

  9. CNN’s Kaitlin Collins
    Posted January 12, 2018 at 8:01 am | Permalink

    Staffers inside the White House aren’t that worried about Trump’s “shithole” remark — with some predicting it will actually resonate with his base, not alienate it, much like his attacks on NFL players who kneel during the national anthem did.

  10. Jean Henry
    Posted January 12, 2018 at 8:25 am | Permalink

    Comment by a Trumper on WSJ interview transcript:
    “Part of the God-Emperor’s charm is in how he gives you gliberals a bad case of the vapours as you engage in pearl clutching.”

    “God emperor”– They DO NOT care. And the more we care, the more they double down on their support for Trump. I don’t know where the tipping point is. It’s like dealing with an addict. Everyone at a remove says “They just have to hit bottom.”But their friends and family are thinking “Is this bottom?” “What about this?” “Are we at bottom yet?” as the addict slides deeper and deeper into that particular madness. I love America. I really, really love it. I love it enough to hate it right now. We have to turn this around. We are not exceptional, but we are a great diverse and democratic experiment, and there is a whole lot of more broadly human hope tied up in our ability to recover from this bullshit.

  11. Iron Lung
    Posted January 12, 2018 at 9:58 am | Permalink

    Donald Trump, the moronic racist who doesn’t turn child rapists in to the police.

  12. Tomi Lahren‏ by proxy
    Posted January 12, 2018 at 10:09 am | Permalink

    If they aren’t shithole countries, why don’t their citizens stay there? Let’s be honest. Call it like it is.

    https://twitter.com/TomiLahren/status/951727859814490112

  13. M
    Posted January 12, 2018 at 10:17 am | Permalink

    John Lewis’s decision not to attend the opening of the Mississippi Civil Rights Museum with Trump back in December is looking better and better with every passing day.

  14. Iron Lung
    Posted January 12, 2018 at 10:30 am | Permalink

    Donald Trump is just “saying what we all want to say” implying that all Americans are racists like Trump.

    Great. Get me out of here.

  15. Jean Henry
    Posted January 12, 2018 at 10:46 am | Permalink

    They are racist like Trump in that they don’t know they are racist. Because being racist is terrible. And yet we live in a country with racist outcomes across the damn board. So it;s more than a few rotten eggs. On the other hand, we are more diverse than most western countries and we have a much longer history of being open to immigration than other countries. And every other Western country that has opened it’s borders even a crack is dealing with this same kind of nationalism/racism. And most non-Western countries are not even open to immigration, so they can say they are not racist, while not actually endeavoring to become more diverse.

    I’ll take the American experiment any day. I prefer engagement with issues of injustice to denial that they exist. It’s ugly but its real and it’s not just evading the issue.

  16. Facebook Stalker
    Posted January 12, 2018 at 10:54 am | Permalink

    This was shared earlier today by a friend on Facebook:

    At least 500 free Haitians served under George Washington to help America gain its freedom. Many then helped Haiti gain independence from its colonial ruler in 1804.

  17. Eel
    Posted January 12, 2018 at 11:01 am | Permalink

    Trump employs more immigrant workers from Haiti at Mar-A-Lago than from anywhere else except for Romania. If he were smart, he’d shut his fucking mouth.

  18. CNN's Kaitlan Collins
    Posted January 12, 2018 at 11:11 am | Permalink

    Trump spent last night phoning allies and friends, asking them how they thought the “shithole” remark was playing out in the press. One White House official referred to it as a “victory lap.”

  19. Kit
    Posted January 12, 2018 at 11:17 am | Permalink

    Don Lemon’s take is the best one so far.

    https://twitter.com/heykim/status/951672787633975296

  20. Iron Lung
    Posted January 12, 2018 at 11:18 am | Permalink

    Gonna be great when there’s nobody around to clean these bigots’ bedpans.

  21. Jean Henry
    Posted January 12, 2018 at 11:18 am | Permalink

    Three weeks ago: “According to six officials who attended or were briefed about the meeting, Mr. Trump then began reading aloud from the document, which his domestic policy adviser, Stephen Miller, had given him just before the meeting. The document listed how many immigrants had received visas to enter the United States in 2017. More than 2,500 were from Afghanistan, a terrorist haven, the president complained. Haiti had sent 15,000 people. They “all have AIDS,” he grumbled, according to one person who attended the meeting and another person who was briefed about it by a different person who was there. Forty thousand had come from Nigeria, Mr. Trump added. Once they had seen the United States, they would never “go back to their huts” in Africa, recalled the two officials, who asked for anonymity to discuss a sensitive conversation in the Oval Office.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/23/us/politics/trump-immigration.html

  22. Jcp2
    Posted January 12, 2018 at 1:03 pm | Permalink

    As a person not of European ethnicity, I’m shocked, shocked, to find that gambling is going on in here!

  23. Iron Lung
    Posted January 12, 2018 at 1:20 pm | Permalink

    A study a few years ago found Nigerians to be the most successful immigrant group, compared with all others. The Africans who come here are often the brightest and most capable people from their countries,contribute to American society, are mostly socially conservative people and send ample sums of money back home, getting us off the hook for foreign aid.

    I don’t think that Trump’s statements are shocking. He is like your ignorant old uncle. What is shocking is that people don’t speak up in the meetings to correct him.

  24. Jean Henry
    Posted January 12, 2018 at 1:33 pm | Permalink

    I was thinking the same thing IL. Why did the Dems in the meeting speak up if they found his language so offensive. I know it was a negotiation, but it seems that someone needs to correct the President in real time, if we are going to serve the greater interest of our reputation abroad versus playing to political outrage. I’m also frustrated that it took the media so long to call his comments racist.

    Of course, the Breitbart trending story is that Don Lemon called Trump racist on live TV.

    Why this is shocking, I do not know. It should be common. It took the media forever to say Trump was lying v ‘not telling the truth.’ They need to use the appropriate and accurate language, and that’s calling it racism.

  25. Sad
    Posted January 12, 2018 at 2:03 pm | Permalink

    Mitt Romney will set him straight.

  26. Jcp2
    Posted January 12, 2018 at 2:17 pm | Permalink

    I’m thinking that everyone in the room was going with the #notme movement.

  27. Jean Henry
    Posted January 12, 2018 at 2:53 pm | Permalink

    JCP2 FTW

  28. Iron Lung
    Posted January 12, 2018 at 3:30 pm | Permalink

    I would be reassured if some of the right wingers who populate this site or facebook or anywhere else would just simply say “Trump’s racist statements are wrong. I’m sorry.”

    But that doesn’t and won’t ever happen, and that’s what’s wrong with this country.

  29. Lynne
    Posted January 12, 2018 at 5:32 pm | Permalink

    I have become very ambivalent about our country. I love it and I love many aspects of the culture and how we are. I love all the smiling people! :) I love it for the same reasons JH wrote of previously.

    But I also find myself disgusted. The proud bigotry combined with astounding ignorance makes my blood boil. We are a nation who elected a President Pussy Grabber Shithole Country. It is who we are just as much as we are the good things. I only hope we can change somehow

  30. Iron Lung
    Posted January 12, 2018 at 5:48 pm | Permalink

    This place is a shithole.

  31. EOS
    Posted January 12, 2018 at 6:15 pm | Permalink

    Quite the shitstorm about “shithole”. Trump denied saying derogatory things about the people. He was referencing the poor economic conditions of certain third world countries and the absurdity of providing preferential treatment to allow easier immigration paths for persons to come here. The gang of eight is now down to a gang of five – and their deal still stinks. It’s not bipartisan if all the republicans are RINOs.

  32. Iron Lung
    Posted January 12, 2018 at 7:00 pm | Permalink

    Well, I rest my case.

  33. Jean Henry
    Posted January 12, 2018 at 7:07 pm | Permalink

    Trump sex scandal just released at WSJ. Not much really. Just hush Money to an adult film star in 2006. Not the kind of thing I care about, but maybe EOS will be moved to stop defending him with Fox News sanctioned talking points.

  34. EOS
    Posted January 12, 2018 at 7:24 pm | Permalink

    The only tactics Democrats have is to throw mud and hope some sticks. The immigration deal was getting too close, so now let’s all accuse Trump of being racist. That’s a good touch Jean. Add some more sex harassment accusations.

    Looks likely that we’ll have a comprehensive immigration bill that has a path to citizenship for the DACA kids while sending the parents who crossed illegally back home. Most of the “kids” are over 21. Build walls to block high crossing areas and require electronic verification of citizenship prior to employment. Then we would have full employment with rising wages.

    And IL – While I don’t think calling a country a shithole is inherently racist, suggesting that immigrants are the only persons fit to empty bedpans certainly is.

  35. Iron Lung
    Posted January 12, 2018 at 7:41 pm | Permalink

    “Fit” isn’t the right word. “Willing” is. Immigrants from poor countries are coming to the US, going to school and becoming health care workers, of which we don’t have enough of.

    As for “electronic verification,” that’s just big government at work. If I should have to be fed into a database to obtain work then I should have to be fed into one to buy a gun. It can be argued that I have a Constitutional right to both, with or without interference of the surveillance state.

    If the right wants databases, well, let’s just do this thing. It won’t be pretty.

  36. Jean Henry
    Posted January 12, 2018 at 7:42 pm | Permalink

    EOS— your turnaround is very quick. Your reply (which here makes no sense) to any accusation is essentially ‘I know you are but what am I?’

    I’d expect that from a liberal.

    your morality is nothing if not fungible.

  37. Iron Lung
    Posted January 12, 2018 at 8:00 pm | Permalink

    I had real problems with some aspects of the Obama admin. That I voted for him twice didn’t make me feel like I had to do logical somersaults to support ever single thing he ever said and did.

    Only a true simpleton would do that.

  38. Jean Henry
    Posted January 12, 2018 at 11:40 pm | Permalink

    Apparently Lindsay Graham responded to Trumps remarks in meeting with ‘an impassioned defense of immigration.’ A bit short of the mark, but it’s something.

  39. Jean Henry
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 8:45 am | Permalink

    . “Then we would have full employment with rising wages.” — EOS

    We currently have 1.1 unemployed persons per job opening in the US. Talk to any small business paying crap wages and they are ‘always hiring’ but can’t find applicants. This was not the case in 2008. The open jobs are mostly skilled jobs requiring trained employees. To achieve full employment we need to focus on training and education not immigration. Immigration has Been shown to be an economic driver not a drain. Undocumented workers are less likely to commit a crime than citizens. I could go on and on. The whole premise of your protectionism argument is false. Your alternative facts are based on bigoted fear not reality. It’s interesting that conservatives are fine with protectionism and big government as long as it oppresses brown or black people or women.
    You don’t have to work too hard to find evidence of racism in America. It’s everyehere. Avoiding acknowledging it requires logical somersaults and alternative facts.

  40. Jean Henry
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 9:04 am | Permalink

    As for the ‘mud slinging’ persistent criticism of Trump, it’s working. He’s losing support from every demographic, including his base.
    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/01/11/us/politics/trump-approval.html

  41. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 9:50 am | Permalink

    I’m sure – how is it racist? Haiti is fucked and the Clinton Foundation is part of the screw job. El Salvador? How many MS-13 members have come from there? Why do we have to take SO MANY from these countries? It is a fine question. If he even said it in those words. Don’t forget Trump is the master troll of all time and the Fake News Awards are coming!

  42. Jean Henry
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 10:22 am | Permalink

    My vote for fake news awards: https://www.snopes.com/surgeon-clinton-foundation-corruption-haiti/

    PS Sometimes Trolls are not actually calculating and manipulative but isolated, reactive, mentally unstable and vicious less-than-geniuses. Most times, actually.

  43. Jean Henry
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 10:24 am | Permalink

    Please do not construe my comment as support for US actions in either Haiti or El Salvador. Of course, in each case, under Trump, we are doubling down on bad faith to those places.

  44. Iron Lung
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 10:44 am | Permalink

    “Then we would have full employment with rising wages.” — EOS

    lol

  45. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 11:01 am | Permalink

    Yeah, Snopes! ‘Straw Man’ is right. You actually use snopes…That is some wack-ass shit. Jeezus!

    http://www.truthwiki.org/snopes-snopes-com/
    Snopes is just one of Obama’s (and Hillary’s) mass media shilling websites

    In the “cash for hostages” deal Obama recently made with Iran, where Iran wouldn’t release our men until a plane full of cash (nearly half a billion dollars) arrived at the location of exchange, the “myth-busting” shill site Snopes rushed to defend Obama, before the State Department fully uncovered Obama’s blatant lie to the American people was spread across mass media. Again, Snopes ignored KEY FACTS in order to print their own “facts” in their rogue attempt to save face for their tyrannical leader. The irony is that every time Snopes gets caught in another one-sided political lie, they lose more traffic, just like their cohorts at CNN, MSNBC, Forbes, Washington Post (8), Boston Globe, Politifact, (7) and the New York Times. (9) Snopes often uses the “straw man” strategy (5), where they argue and rehash points that nobody is disputing anyway, to sound like they have made some valid points in order to convince readers that the rest of their story isn’t fabricated–anything to cover up the heart of the matter, which was the massive ransom payment made by America’s President to terrorists. (4)

  46. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 11:08 am | Permalink

    I’m familiar with yournewswire. I know who “Baxter Dmitry” is because before he started doing that site he was a well-known and widely hated troll who acted even worse than you do. It’s disinfo to try to undermine true knowledge by mimicking it with fake stories.

  47. Sad
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 11:26 am | Permalink

    Sycophants and Trolls.

    https://youtu.be/W6FZwVvS8_8

  48. wobblie
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 11:45 am | Permalink

    HW, kinda like Trumps blatant lie about the US embassy in London. He’s belated -I didn’t say those things has about as much credibility as Clinton’s “I did not have sexual relations with that woman”.

  49. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 11:53 am | Permalink

    Not so fast. Remember the “Don Jr. got a heads up from wikileaks before the drop” scandal? Turned out to obviously be disinfo by Trump to kill two birds with one stone: find the leaker and embarrass the media, didn’t it?

  50. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 11:56 am | Permalink

    I see snopes luuuvs yournewswire no doubt for exactly what that article states about them: they employ the straw man fallacy.

  51. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 12:01 pm | Permalink

    what they say about snopes that is. They use yournewswire, a known disinfo site to try slanting public opinion.

  52. Jean Henry
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 12:15 pm | Permalink

    ONLY HW KNOWS THE REAL TRUTH. AND HIS KNOWLEDGE IS ABSOLUTE AND OMNISCIENT. HE WILL ACCEPT NO SOLUTION ECEPT THAT WE BOW DOWN BEFORE HIS SUPERIORITY.

    (because he’s a very stable and totally not insecure genius)

    I will concede that HW is far more intelligent than Trump, because he is able to twist his logic around information to conform it to his perception of reality. Trump cant even think that strategically. Or hold to one line of thinking.

    At any rate, in attacking the source instead of the information, HW did not defend his assertions in any way.

  53. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 12:28 pm | Permalink

    That’s retarded. I’m not doing that at all. You just can’t handle information outside your little world. I showed that the snopes article you put up is a straw man about a known disinfo site. That’s a bit of knowledge you can carry forward if you want and be better informed for it. Don’t think you want to do that though.

  54. Iron Lung
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 1:02 pm | Permalink

    Only the Mr. Warlord knows. With his bag of infallible conspiracy sites he cannot be defeated.

  55. Jean Henry
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 1:45 pm | Permalink

    “You just can’t handle information outside your little world.” — If you were to look at my daily news feed, or my family, or where I grew up, or my friend group, or where I live now, you would know that statement is nothing if not comical.

    I will admit that I deal with few people as deeply committed to conspiracy theories as you though. The people I know who are deep into them, indulge that mostly for entertainment purposes. They know that they don’t know. They just suspect, which I can respect. Because then you can have a conversation. I have fairly regular conversations with a Christian Conservative Trump voter who really, really hates Clinton, but even he is not willing to support Trump now in the way you do. He supports him and thinks he’s getting a raw deal, but also knows that he went after Clinton just as hard. And ‘they are all crooks anyway.’ His most recent statement: “I didn’t think it could get worse.”

  56. Jean Henry
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 1:48 pm | Permalink

    Basically, I think HW gives Trump supporters and conspiracy theorists a bad name.

  57. Iron Lung
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 1:56 pm | Permalink

    Even some conspiracy theorists are unwilling to overlook pedophilia and child rape.

  58. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 1:58 pm | Permalink

    You could have a conversation with me anytime you want but you don’t. Look at your posts. For the little effort I put into it I put up a ton of great info and most of it is from mainstream sources. Most of the time you just attack me as a character. When you use information to make a point I rebut it with relevant info. That’s how debate works. Don’t cry because you feel like I’m being mean.

  59. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 2:04 pm | Permalink

    Obviously I am not willing to overlook rape and murder of children. That’s why I talk about people in government who do it. You are “willing to overlook it” even though you are waging this little troll campaign against me for talking about it, Iron Lung. What does that say about you?

  60. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 2:09 pm | Permalink

    “Only the Mr. Warlord knows. With his bag of infallible conspiracy sites he cannot be defeated.”

    Sarcasm is kind of lame and your use of it is not even relevant so it’s even lamer. I just identified a so-called conspiracy site as disinfo and you try to come back with that. Unfocused!

  61. Jean Henry
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 2:12 pm | Permalink

    Why should we bother disputing your points, when you are certain you are right about everything?

    Why would anyone want to meet you in person for a conversation, much less someone you threatened or called a stupid bitch and retarded?

    You are insufferable, HW. No one is crying about it though.

    PS you use sarcasm all the time.

  62. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 2:22 pm | Permalink

    What have I said that ever indicated I am certain I am right about everything? That is totally against my philosophy. I think you are just intimidated by someone with a deep and broad knowledge base. I have answers that you don’t have a good rebuttal for so you pile on the abuse.

  63. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 2:26 pm | Permalink

    Count all the times I used sarcasm on this page then. If I do use it it’s probably to make a point humorously. Not like Iron Lung who doesn’t even really know what he is doing with it.

  64. Jean Henry
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 2:29 pm | Permalink

    You absolutely have asserted that your are right about everything. Not just past or current events but about future one’s. And we’ll all have to admit you are right someday.

    I suggest you review your past posts. I’m not going to bother. No one really wants to bother with you. It’s not that we can’t defend our perspectives or debunk yours. We have all done it at various times. It’s just useless. You bob and weave and divert and dismiss. you employ every mode of rhetorical evasion listed in the Sagan’s Baloney Detection kit. It’s like pushing against a curtain. I have a tremendous amount of energy for this kind of BS, especially when I’m avoiding some loathsome task, but not enough energy for you. I’m just not that angry. And I’m pretty angry lately.

    If you face abuse, it’s because you are a pest. And an abuser. Turn around is fair play. It may be useless, but it’s sometimes entertaining.

  65. Jean Henry
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 2:31 pm | Permalink

    IL knows exactly what he is doing and it’s funny as hell. You just don’t get the joke.

  66. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 2:48 pm | Permalink

    It’s dull trolling. Not funny at all.

  67. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 2:52 pm | Permalink

    “You absolutely have asserted that your are right about everything. Not just past or current events but about future one’s. And we’ll all have to admit you are right someday.
    I suggest you review your past posts. I’m not going to bother. No one really wants to bother with you. It’s not that we can’t defend our perspectives or debunk yours. We have all done it at various times. It’s just useless. You bob and weave and divert and dismiss. you employ every mode of rhetorical evasion listed in the Sagan’s Baloney Detection kit. It’s like pushing against a curtain. I have a tremendous amount of energy for this kind of BS, especially when I’m avoiding some loathsome task, but not enough energy for you. I’m just not that angry. And I’m pretty angry lately.
    If you face abuse, it’s because you are a pest. And an abuser. Turn around is fair play. It may be useless, but it’s sometimes entertaining.:”

    See, you are copping out because you don’t have an answer. You repeated your claim but you have no evidence. Do you think you can do that in a debate and get anywhere? You try to do it a lot.

  68. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 2:57 pm | Permalink

    Making a prediction is going out on a limb because I could be wrong. I’m saying let’s bet and see who is more accurate. Forget betting and just see – I don’t care. If I am correct wtf are you going to do? You’re going to have to eat everything you ever said. If I am wrong I’ll have to. I doubt that though. I predicted Trump would win before he announced his candidacy. If I had bet money on it I would have made a fortune.

  69. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 3:05 pm | Permalink

    MM said get back to him after this next round of indictments and we’ll see if Trump is busted. Well, here I am. Did Flynn “flip” yet? What did he flip about? Are they getting ever closer to the President or is it about done and he will be fine? What about the IG report and the other investigations going on right now about YOUR peeps? Do you think you have the momentum still?

  70. wobblie
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 3:36 pm | Permalink

    HW your bet that Trump would win was an easy one. Clinton was the only candidate that he could defeat (the polls were demonstrating that as early as January and February of 2016). The plutocrats are getting everything on their wish list while at the same time they have clearly neutered your man, he is reduced to “tweeting” and denying his true nature. Quit pathetic really. Obvious he can not withstand the true power brokers and once the plutocrats have gotten everything they desire (voter suppression, deregulation of finance, perhaps another war) he will disappear and they will give us some one more palatable and politically correct (perhaps Pence, but maybe Oprah) to soothe the masses. The neo-con, neo-liberal agenda stands triumphant despite Trumps blathering.

  71. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 3:39 pm | Permalink

    No, no. Before he announced in the very beginning before the Primary season and everything. It was like 50-1 odds or something. It was considered an extreme long shot.

  72. Iron Lung
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 3:41 pm | Permalink

    “For the little effort I put into it I put up a ton of great info and most of it is from mainstream sources.”

    lol

  73. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 3:43 pm | Permalink

    “The odds of a Trump win closed from around 25 to 1 in August 2015 when he first announced his campaign,”

    Okay, 25 to 1. Pretty nice return for whoever laid down the cash. I said Trump would win way before that.

  74. wobblie
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 3:43 pm | Permalink

    Here is some good news. A true Patriot has decided to challenge another corporate Democrat.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/chelsea-manning-files-to-run-for-us-senate-in-maryland/2018/01/13/6439f0d0-f88c-11e7-beb6-c8d48830c54d_story.html?utm_term=.47bdbb2e0278

    HW, nobody thought he would win the Republican nomination, but in April he was polling such that he would beat Clinton

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/wash-post-poll-hides-trump-still-beats-clinton-43-40/article/2621016

  75. Sad
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 3:47 pm | Permalink

    All this fighting is making me ….sad.

    https://youtu.be/z0qW9P-uYfM

  76. Iron Lung
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 3:49 pm | Permalink

    “I said Trump would win way before that.”

    lol

  77. wobblie
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 4:00 pm | Permalink

    Just curious, do others get the message, “your comments awaiting moderation” frequently mine do not get posted for quit some time

  78. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 4:06 pm | Permalink

    I am glad you are laughing so much these days. I’m sure you can use it. Just realize it won’t be easy to digest all that lolling when you have to eat all of it. Conspiracy theory? Reality. It gives no shits at all about how you act.

    Department of Justice
    Office of Public Affairs
    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
    Friday, January 12, 2018
    Former President of Maryland-Based Transportation Company Indicted on 11 Counts Related to Foreign Bribery, Fraud and Money Laundering Scheme

    Executive Allegedly Paid Bribes to a Russian Official So His Company Could Win Highly Sensitive Nuclear Fuel Transportation Contracts

  79. Iron Lung
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 4:07 pm | Permalink

    “Reality. It gives no shits at all about how you act.”

    lol

  80. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 4:07 pm | Permalink

    Did you know a domino can knock down a domino 1.5 times bigger?

  81. Iron Lung
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 4:08 pm | Permalink

    Wobblie,

    I often get stuck in moderation land, particularly when posting links.

  82. Iron Lung
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 4:09 pm | Permalink

    “Did you know a domino can knock down a domino 1.5 times bigger?”

    lol

  83. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 4:11 pm | Permalink

    Seriously, I know you need a laugh so that is great. It would suck to be all depressed and shit like you usually are.

  84. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 4:13 pm | Permalink

    Lil troll-monkey goes lol.

  85. wobblie
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 4:27 pm | Permalink

    Looks like some one tried to start a nuclear war this morning. I guess there is just a button you push, and presto everyone is told an incoming ballistic missile is coming your way. In all the movies there is always a gate or something over the button you have to lift. I guess in reality you can just push it by accident. True? or a dry run on another false flag?

  86. Iron Lung
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 4:28 pm | Permalink

    “It would suck to be all depressed and shit like you usually are.”

    lol

  87. Jean Henry
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 4:31 pm | Permalink

    Wobblie– If you post more than one link in a post, it goes to moderation. If you stick to one link per post, it goes right through.

    HW– The reality is that IL successfully provokes you into rage with his one line posts. You try to do that all the time with repeated and lengthy posts and fail. I think you might be the bigger domino.

  88. Iron Lung
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 4:32 pm | Permalink

    “Looks like some one tried to start a nuclear war this morning. I guess there is just a button you push, and presto everyone is told an incoming ballistic missile is coming your way. ”

    In the past, Trump has asked people why we can’t use nuclear weapons. Given how little compassion the man has, it is likely that he really doesn’t understand how weapons work, let alone nuclear weapons.

  89. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 4:33 pm | Permalink

    Hell

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdjr0_Y44ds

  90. Jean Henry
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 4:50 pm | Permalink

    We have generals working overtime to prevent Trump from launching a pre-emptive nuclear attack on North Korea.
    HW started on this site complaining about forever wars, corporate and DC corruption, and income inequality. Now as Trump doubles down on all of those things, he has nothing to say about them. Instead he’s focused on fantasy crack downs of pedophile rings and the Clintons. He is clearly a person with great principles and a commitment to right and wrong, as he says.

  91. wobblie
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 5:03 pm | Permalink

    IL and JH thanks for explaining the moderation mechanism

    JH, I disagree with you about our Generals. The only time our Generals have spoken up against going to war is when they are retired. Most are simple opportunistic careerist, just like corporate managers rarely care about what is best for the stock holders. Never going to get ahead in a peace time army. In fact we down size the officer corp when we have peace. I know that is hard to remember being as we have been at continuous war for 17 years.

  92. wobblie
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 5:04 pm | Permalink

    HW, nobody thought he would win the Republican nomination, but in April he was polling such that he would beat Clinton

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/wash-post-poll-hides-trump-still-beats-clinton-43-40/article/2621016

  93. wobblie
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 5:05 pm | Permalink

    Here is some good news. A true Patriot has decided to challenge another corporate Democrat.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/chelsea-manning-files-to-run-for-us-senate-in-maryland/2018/01/13/6439f0d0-f88c-11e7-beb6-c8d48830c54d_story.html?utm_term=.47bdbb2e0278

    sorry for the duplication, but re posted to get out of moderation land

  94. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 5:33 pm | Permalink

    That’s my point, wobblie. No one thought he would win but I said if he runs how can he lose? You all would have laughed. Who would be having the last laugh though? Now I am betting there will be a mega wave of justice against criminals in government and business led by DJT. It’s not just here. It started in Saudi Arabia and it is going everywhere. I’m trying to help you guys so you will have some idea of wtf is happening if and when it really starts hitting – and I do think it is hitting. Wanna bet???

  95. wobblie
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 5:44 pm | Permalink

    HW,” It started in Saudi Arabia and it is going everywhere.” You are rooting for the autocrat who just shook down all his cousins for cash and started the genocide in Yemen. If that is your idea of justice, you are a sick puppy.

  96. Iron Lung
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 5:47 pm | Permalink

    Supporting despots and tyrants is a mainstay of the Trump admin. It would stand to reason that it would trickle down to his supporters.

  97. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 5:48 pm | Permalink

    That was going on for a long time before the corruption purge. Obviously if the princes are totally corrupt it’s a good thing to shake ’em down. Especially if Bin Salman is willing to not do all that shady/evil shit.

  98. Iron Lung
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 5:51 pm | Permalink

    lol

  99. wobblie
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 5:55 pm | Permalink

    What Bin Salman and Trump have in common is their total narcissism. Supporting despots and tyrants is a bi-partisan consensus. Trump did not start it, he is just a buffoon along for the ride. Supporting the primacy of the petro-dollar is central to US foreign policy. The family of Saud has been one of the prime callers of US foreign policy since Kissinger kissed up to them. One of the key reasons we are so far behind in renewable energy.

  100. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 6:12 pm | Permalink

    Get ready for “Trump Bucks” minted by Congress. No more Federal Reserve. “Debt Jubilee”. More predictions for a little further on down the road. Let’s see how I do with the USA corruption purge first. First domino in Uranium One down. Indictment served at least. Now let’s see about that IG report.

  101. Iron Lung
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 6:26 pm | Permalink

    Note that Donald Trump is the least experienced and likely the least informed head of state in the world.

  102. Iron Lung
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 6:29 pm | Permalink

    Easy pickins.

  103. Jean Henry
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 6:56 pm | Permalink

    Wobblie– I was speaking of Mattis and John Kelly specifically and more specifically of North Korea. Their strategies behind the scenes to manage Trump are well documented. I’m aware of the irony. Military members understand the horrors of war better than you. They aren’t eager for it, but they are usually willing to go along with the commands of their superiors, unless that superior is a reactive autocratic nut job. Even the most hawkish Generals are not keen on nuclear war.

    I know it’s hard for antiwar ideologues to give the military credit for anything, but in this case you might want to locate some gratitude.

  104. Jean Henry
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 6:57 pm | Permalink

    But I agree on the Saudi’s.

  105. Jean Henry
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 7:04 pm | Permalink

    My mother is an unreliable narrator with a streak of paranoia and a penchant for both hyperbole and invective. She also has a lot of crackpot theories, but every once and a while, something she’s been saying for years and that we all laughed at, comes true. Like that painting she bought for $100 at an estate sale was, in fact, of a Medici.

    When it turns out that one of HW’s theories is in fact accurate, I will be similarly amused. The fact that the 1000 other theories were entirely false will not deter his enthusiasm, and for years after, like my mother, he will be replying to any scoffing, something along the lines of “But I was right about the Medici.”

  106. Jean Henry
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 7:09 pm | Permalink

    It should drive radicals nuts that the most effective people in undermining Trump’s effectiveness have been life long bureaucrats and military men, the very people they most malign as complicit (a form of self-congratulation). But they just ignore it and go about with their certainty about their theories undeterred.

    There’s a pattern to these posts.

  107. wobblie
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 7:21 pm | Permalink

    I’m nearly 65 and experienced the Vietnam War. I grew up with a WWII veteran with PTSD. Several of my veteran friends have experienced the effects of agent orange not to mention others with PTSD. I was a resister and managed to avoid combat, and thanks to Jimmy Carter was pardoned for my “crime” of resisting the war. Mattis is called “mad dog” for a reason. None of them are moving to end the endless war crimes in Afghanistan. The latest was a video that some of our “warriors” took of them murdering an Afgani truck driver as they drove by him on the highway.

    https://www.facebook.com/EngageArmamentLLC/videos/1663752147017217/
    They want war with Iran–they know it does not have nuclear weapons.

  108. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 7:23 pm | Permalink

    But you say things are false that aren’t. Like you said the FAA flight logs were debunked but they weren’t. I said how do you figure and you pretended it was settled. You do that a lot.

  109. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 7:30 pm | Permalink

    Trump is destroying heroin processing facilities in Afghanistan. That’s taking away funding to terrorists whether they are domestic or foreign. Why has the USA been protecting massive Afghanistan poppy crops? It’s not a conspiracy theory. It was on the news years ago! Watch “H” prices go up as it gets harder to find stateside. The pill mill prescription racket is going to take a hit too. Trump will get out when the mess left by the globalist administrations is cleaned up.

  110. wobblie
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 7:40 pm | Permalink

    If Trump is the evil you believe (I think he simply a narcissistic buffoon who is a tool) you must be out raged at Nancy Pelosie and Chuck Shumer voting to give him unlimited powers to spy on US citizens in complete disregard of the constitution. It is clear that Trump’s power has been reduced to simply Tweeting, and even that he has to back peddle on when he is told.

    How do you think J. Edgar Hoover maintained the power he had for so long? It is called having the dirt on all the politicians. Nobody wanted to challenge the man for fear of what he would do to them. Now we have a faceless bureaucracy that can clearly control our political elite. They willingly go along because by doing so you’ll get to be very wealthy. Trump has backed away from all of his statements that would challenge the elite. His “opposition” to the re authorization of warrant less surveillance of US citizens (an act that he is victim of) lasted all of about 4 hours before he was brought into line.

  111. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 7:51 pm | Permalink

    Are you talking to me? Don’t know what you mean because I have given no indication I believe Trump is evil. You are correct about compromised politicians. That is what Trump is rooting out. The many Republicans not seeking re-election are the canaries in the coalmine. Many more Democrats to fall soon and it could be worse for a lot of them than just getting to walk away. You are on the right track about congresspeople with huge bank accounts and houses. Watch people like that.

  112. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 7:56 pm | Permalink

    I will be happy if he uses Bush/Obama/etc. era legislation like NDAA to destroy their own criminal networks. That will be the ultimate in poetic justice. He supported FISA going forward against foreigners but not against Americans like Obama did against him and he said so.

  113. wobblie
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 8:50 pm | Permalink

    Hw, you are as un-american as they come. Looking for a police state to reign in your political enemies. I was commenting on JH observation that the generals are keeping Trump in line. HW as near as I can tell from your comments are an adolescent who lives in your fantasy world still. You’ll presumably grow up some day. If you believe Trump is in control of anything, you simply have not been paying attention.

  114. Jean Henry
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 8:51 pm | Permalink

    Wobblie– You have just made my point. I was talking about North Korea not Afghanistan.

    HW– Clearly you don’t think Trump is evil. You think he is genius. A very stable genius. You attribute a level of attention to detail and responsibility belied by his 2 hour work days. Or maybe he really uses his ‘executive time’ to plot to undermine the deep state. Your assessment of Trump is so contrary to the evident reality of his intellect that it makes it hard to believe anything else you say. I don’t respond past a certain point, because I get bored.

  115. Jean Henry
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 8:56 pm | Permalink

    I didn;t say Trump is evil, Wobblie. I think he’s a dangerously narcissistic buffoon. I think many thought he would be an easy tool to use for their ends. If you have ever dealt with a narcissist though, they are very hard to manage, and intelligence has nothing to do with it. They are just highly inconsistent and reactive. Unmanageable. Smart people spend a lot of energy trying to control them and can’t.

  116. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 8:57 pm | Permalink

    Calm before The Storm. Don’t say I didn’t warn you.

  117. wobblie
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 9:31 pm | Permalink

    JH I agree with your analysis of Trump being hard to manage. The only thing that really seems to motivate him is his popularity. Today after a panic was caused in Hawaii the only thing he wanted to tweet about was the “fake news” about him and that the media has not gotten over him winning the election. If it is not about him then it is not important.

    The Democrat elite love him. Best fund raiser they have had in years. They quit possibly will retake control of the House. Maybe even a few progressives and anti-corporatist will get elected. Unless there is a wave that sweeps away people like Pelosie and Wasserman-Shultz in the primaries, we will just continue to get more of the same neo-liberal austerity at home and neo-con war mongering in foreign policy.

    The good news is more and more good folks are stepping up to challenge the corporate collaborationist. People who are refusing to take corporate money and have impeccable personal histories. Most are running in Democratic Party primaries. Dingell is not the worst but our district has been the fiefdom of her family since the wave election in 1932 (thanks to the UAW which heavily distorts Michigan Democratic politics they would rather have the Party lose an election than they lose control of the Party).

  118. Sad
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 10:06 pm | Permalink

    Did you say The Storm? Watch out…

    https://youtu.be/7d6-nHURnZg

  119. Jean Henry
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 10:18 pm | Permalink

    Here HW, for balance, is a celebration of Trump’s singular accomplishment:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQruDaf7bKs

  120. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 10:19 pm | Permalink

    Nice

  121. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 10:22 pm | Permalink

    Haha, not that one whatever it is. I those comedy show guys mixed up.

    Sad’s one.

  122. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 10:22 pm | Permalink

    *get* those…

  123. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 10:25 pm | Permalink

    It’s coming

  124. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 10:25 pm | Permalink

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqLYBr8cmlo

  125. EOS
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 10:43 pm | Permalink

    http://unabashedconservative.com/breaking-11-count-indictment-handed-russian-bribery-case-involving-uranium-one-clinton-obama-mueller-comey-mccabe-rosenstein-holder-lynch-facing-criminal-prosecution/

  126. Sad
    Posted January 14, 2018 at 5:28 am | Permalink

    I went to that site EOS – talk about shit holes. It’s a cross between Fox News and the National enquirer. Say some extra prayers at church this morning or make sure you go to confession. No song for you.

  127. EOS
    Posted January 14, 2018 at 8:15 am | Permalink

    https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-president-maryland-based-transportation-company-indicted-11-counts-related-foreign

    I’ll pray for you.

  128. wobblie
    Posted January 14, 2018 at 8:22 am | Permalink

    And people are surprised that corruption is rampant. This is what the bi-partisan consensus is all about. Keep the wars going and get all the cash you can, how ever you can. Of course it is only one indictment against the businessman. No politician or law enforcement officer will be indicted. They serve the beast, only underlings need worry-got to have scape goats.

  129. EOS
    Posted January 14, 2018 at 8:35 am | Permalink

    This is an indictment for conspiracy. There has to be more coming. Why would those he conspired with get a free pass? Unlike the Trump witchhunt, there is no lack of evidence.

  130. Jean Henry
    Posted January 14, 2018 at 8:42 am | Permalink

    The Stalin Chief of Police quote in EOS linked article was perfect: “Show me the man and I’ll find you the crime.”

  131. wobblie
    Posted January 14, 2018 at 9:33 am | Permalink

    The conspiracy is with those who bribed him.

  132. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted January 14, 2018 at 12:24 pm | Permalink

    I am lost in fantasy in a way but not how you think.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Y6ajTP3wWc

    Fuckin’ LOVE it!!!

    I think it is you and people like you who are truly lost but notice I am not harping on you personally like you are. I am for bringing justice to the enemies of all of us. I’m putting my neck out by making all these predictions so if I am wrong it’s an amazing gift to you that you can gloat about as long as you want. If I’m right though wtf are you going to do?

  133. Iron Lung
    Posted January 14, 2018 at 1:52 pm | Permalink

    “I am for bringing justice to the enemies of all of us.”

    lol

  134. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted January 14, 2018 at 2:11 pm | Permalink

    Troll-monkey says lol.

  135. Iron Lung
    Posted January 14, 2018 at 2:15 pm | Permalink

    This site is very entertaining.

  136. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted January 14, 2018 at 2:23 pm | Permalink

    Don’t see how they are MY political enemies. I’m not a politician. People who commit serious crimes should face justice. Russian collusion is bull like I said all along. So is obstruction by firing Comey. Comey is corrupt. He obstructed justice by calling Clinton’s electronic communications “extremely careless” instead of the synonymous statute wording “grossly negligent”. What is the rationale to not prosecute? There is none. It’s sleight of hand. He called it a matter, not an investigation at the request of Loretta Lynch after her meeting on the tarmac with Bill Clinton.

  137. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted January 14, 2018 at 2:39 pm | Permalink

    Uranium One justice is starting to happen. I know some of you said that’s what? A wack-job conspiracy theory or some shit? Now look. You are having to start eating that, aren’t you? Who else will be indicted? No one higher level than the transportation guy you think? Lolling like a lil troll-bot just makes you look like one of those. No substance, no nothing, just a lil internet bot…

  138. Iron lung
    Posted January 14, 2018 at 3:21 pm | Permalink

    Honestly, I don’t give much thought of whether the Mr. Warlord’s pronouncements are right or wrong.

    It just isn’t very important.

    I expect people to similarly disregard my own.

  139. Iron lung
    Posted January 14, 2018 at 3:49 pm | Permalink

    Why is it important that one wins or loses? How does it benefit the world?

    I dont think we matter.

  140. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted January 14, 2018 at 4:04 pm | Permalink

    You spend a lot of time trolling me for someone who thinks what I say is not important. You are a nihilist right? That’s how you come across. Nothing has any importance so you are just going to mock people who care about what is happening. Wull that’s some great stuff you are doing there!

  141. Iron lung
    Posted January 14, 2018 at 4:11 pm | Permalink

    I am entertained by this site.

    But none of what transpires in the comments section has any value to the world.

    Winning…losing…why does it matter. Death will come for all of us. The world will move independently of what a few people who post here say.

    No one will change their views based on what the Mr. Warlord or anyone else posts. A meaningless existence seeking validation in the comments section of a local political blog.

    A vain search for power.

  142. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted January 14, 2018 at 4:35 pm | Permalink

    A lot of people are going to change their opinion OF my posts though when the storm hits. How much do you want to bet? They already have to backpedal on Uranium One. I like spreading truth and countering lies. You don’t believe truth matters so we’re not really talking about the same thing. Knowledge is power and I have a fair bit of knowledge so it’s not really necessary to “search” for power. I just do what I do and keep learning more every day.

  143. stupid hick
    Posted January 14, 2018 at 4:42 pm | Permalink

    “HW as near as I can tell from your comments are an adolescent who lives in your fantasy world still”

    No, he’s actually a 50 year old manchild who has wasted the past 30 years of his life. It’s obvious he does live in a fantasy world though.

  144. Iron lung
    Posted January 14, 2018 at 4:44 pm | Permalink

    It is highly likely that your profanity filled posts will be disregarded and will fail to produce the outcome you desire.

  145. Iron lung
    Posted January 14, 2018 at 4:46 pm | Permalink

    The mr warlord is not a 14 year old, despite what writing style may suggest.

  146. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted January 14, 2018 at 4:53 pm | Permalink

    You all have a right to think what you want. It’s so interesting to see how you behave towards me considering the information I discuss. What will you do if it turns out you have been on the side of some of the most heinous criminals ever all this time right up until they get busted? Will you stick by their side like a loyal toadie or will you have the aha moment of all time?

  147. Iron lung
    Posted January 14, 2018 at 4:55 pm | Permalink

    I dont really pay attention to any of the information the mr warlord provides.

  148. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted January 14, 2018 at 4:57 pm | Permalink

    That’s right, because you are a little what?

  149. Iron lung
    Posted January 14, 2018 at 4:58 pm | Permalink

    I enjoy breakfast foods.

  150. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted January 14, 2018 at 5:04 pm | Permalink

    Neato!

  151. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted January 14, 2018 at 5:10 pm | Permalink

    Who was it “talking shit” about U1? You know who you are. If you talk shit and then reality fucks you up you should admit it. Nothing wrong with a little profanity to add color to a point. The point is the same: if you speak badly about someone for talking about something and then the something turns out to be correct it would be the right thing to do to acknowledge your mistake.

  152. Iron lung
    Posted January 14, 2018 at 5:14 pm | Permalink

    Given the pubescent writing style, another comment worthy of disregard.

    The mr warlord fights an unseen enemy with the aid of cheap consumer technology.

  153. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted January 14, 2018 at 5:18 pm | Permalink

    Pfft.

  154. Iron lung
    Posted January 14, 2018 at 5:28 pm | Permalink

    A lone warrior, his battlefront is Ypsilant, MI.

    Danger and bloodshed present themselves at every corner, but the Mr. Warlord valiantly continues the fight, foregoing sleep and food so that he may wage battle without pause.

  155. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted January 14, 2018 at 5:36 pm | Permalink

    If nothing matters why do you comment on anything at all? You get one of their shittiest, most depressing songs for your theme.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAGnKpE4NCI

  156. Iron lung
    Posted January 14, 2018 at 5:42 pm | Permalink

    The mr Warlord backs down to no threat, no adversary, a might warrior in the face of adversity.

    The only thing standing between freedom and tyranny is the mr. Warlord.

    A powerful force with the latest update of Windows at his beck and call.

  157. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted January 14, 2018 at 5:50 pm | Permalink

    Good one! It’s so meaningless to talk with you. You are doing your job well.

  158. Jcp2
    Posted January 14, 2018 at 6:33 pm | Permalink

    IL and MM are doing Mr. W a favor by allowing him to anonymously to express his true views about his neighbors.

  159. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted January 14, 2018 at 7:29 pm | Permalink

    That’s funny because I talk about information mostly but there seems to be a whole bunch of you obsessed with opinions about me.

    Cyclone
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCmEzRsiGvg

  160. Rat
    Posted January 14, 2018 at 8:57 pm | Permalink

    If you think that’s bad, check this out.

    Trump told not everyone on welfare is black: “Really? Then what are they?” he responded: Report http://bit.ly/2r1HKx0

  161. Jean Henry
    Posted January 14, 2018 at 9:36 pm | Permalink

    HW– There is no one here nearly as obsessed with you as you are.

    What you are experiencing in this forum is something akin to a cat toying with a mouse. ( I know you believe you are the cat…) It’s cold outside and people are bored and trapped indoors. They seek some trifle amusement and you provide that. They are frustrated with these times, and you are foil for their frustration. This is the service you provide.

    As for me, I learn things here. Just not from you. Sometimes I am wrong and am corrected in ways that are useful. Just not by you.

    I have no idea why you are here. I’d be interested to know though.

  162. Jean Henry
    Posted January 14, 2018 at 9:49 pm | Permalink

    I prefer his brother, but Michael Steele is standing up to Trump, which raises the bar just slightly for the GOP.
    http://time.com/5101077/donald-trump-racist-michael-steele-shithole-countries/

  163. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted January 14, 2018 at 9:54 pm | Permalink

    I’m here because I like to spread truth and counter lies. Don’t pretend you don’t know that. I run circles around you Jean. Look at that last one I mentioned where you didn’t debunk shit but claimed you did. And the one before that and the one before that…It happens over and over. It’s ridiculous.

  164. Iron Lung
    Posted January 14, 2018 at 9:57 pm | Permalink

    “I’m here because I like to spread truth and counter lies.”

    lol

  165. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted January 14, 2018 at 10:01 pm | Permalink

    That’s right. Lol all you want. Doubt you are really lolling though. It’s idiotic either way.

  166. Iron Lung
    Posted January 14, 2018 at 10:18 pm | Permalink

    Very entertaining.

  167. Jean Henry
    Posted January 14, 2018 at 10:29 pm | Permalink

    You run circles around me because I’m not running. I’m not even walking. I’m just dangling a piece of yarn for you to chase and watching.

  168. Jean Henry
    Posted January 14, 2018 at 10:30 pm | Permalink

    “I’m here because I like to spread truth and counter lies. ” — go a little deeper, HW. Why are you here?

  169. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted January 14, 2018 at 10:35 pm | Permalink

    You are attempting to troll me is what you are saying then. You don’t even believe all this bullshit you say. It doesn’t work though. In what way am I chasing yarn? You don’t even have an example.

  170. Iron Lung
    Posted January 14, 2018 at 10:39 pm | Permalink

    lol

    lol

  171. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted January 14, 2018 at 10:45 pm | Permalink

    Is your strategy just to be as idiotic as possible to try to make me stop? Yes, it is. Will it work? I don’t think so. You are fucking up your buddy’s comments section to try driving me out but I will just keep posting and you will keep being an idiot. So be it.

  172. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted January 14, 2018 at 11:11 pm | Permalink

    Both of you; all of you – we could cut out all this bullshit and just talk about the info. You don’t want to do that though. Why is that?

  173. Iron Lung
    Posted January 14, 2018 at 11:39 pm | Permalink

    “Info?”

  174. Sad
    Posted January 14, 2018 at 11:42 pm | Permalink

    HW you’re being unreasonable! Or are the others unreasonable?

    “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.”

    ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

  175. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted January 14, 2018 at 11:46 pm | Permalink

    Yeah, I post INFO. That’s right. You don’t know that because you are too busy being a troll. USA in a state of emergency due to corruption and human rights abuse for example? Nothing to know about to you. Lots to know about it for me. Of course you will say lol but so what, right?

  176. Iron Lung
    Posted January 14, 2018 at 11:55 pm | Permalink

    “Yeah, I post INFO.”

    lol

  177. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted January 15, 2018 at 12:08 am | Permalink

    That’s right and you don’t want to talk about it. Why is that?

  178. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted January 15, 2018 at 12:21 am | Permalink

    It’s really interesting if you read the EO from 12/21/17. The Treasury is now authorized to seize US assets of anyone involved in corruption or human rights abuse around the world. It is also authorized to seize assets of associated people in the US.

  179. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted January 15, 2018 at 12:26 am | Permalink

    So anyone who did business with a human rights abuser or corrupt entity and had assets in the USA can have them taken now. For example Israeli billionaire Dan Gertler is on the list of individuals in the addendum noted for corruption and abuse of people in the Democratic Republic of the Congo. At one time Bill Clinton gave him a pardon. If the Clinton Foundation was found to have received donations from Gertler those could be confiscated.

  180. Iron Lung
    Posted January 15, 2018 at 12:50 am | Permalink

    “Info”

    lol

  181. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted January 15, 2018 at 12:58 am | Permalink

    Guess that’s a funny word to a troll. Shrugs

  182. Iron Lung
    Posted January 15, 2018 at 1:22 am | Permalink

    “Shrugs”

    lol

  183. Jean Henry
    Posted January 15, 2018 at 6:13 am | Permalink

    “So anyone who did business with a human rights abuser or corrupt entity and had assets in the USA can have them taken now.” — Trump is fucked then.

    Sad: Shaw, while entertaining, was not exactly prone to nuance. in what possible way could HW create any progress in this world? You could have used the MLK creatively maladjusted line instead, but we know HW isn’t a creative person. He’s not originating these ideas. He’s just a insecure bitter angry man seeking someone to Blame— the perfect mark for a con.

  184. wobblie
    Posted January 15, 2018 at 7:06 am | Permalink

    HW is also in favor of authoritarian police state solutions. The most anti-american who comments on this page. According to his take on the executive order he is touting, anyone doing business with, ” anyone who did business with a human rights abuser or corrupt entity and had assets in the USA can have them taken now.” That would include every major US banking entity. After all they have all been found guilty of corrupt and fraudulent actions, money laundering etc. And since almost everyone does business with the major banks, he is singing the praises of an executive order that can be used to seize any ones property.

  185. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted January 15, 2018 at 7:46 am | Permalink

    Only that is not what it’s for. Taking down the banks maybe, we’ll see. Obviously not for what you said though. Keep thinking, wob. You are a little bit more on the right track but not quite there.

  186. Jcp2
    Posted January 15, 2018 at 7:54 am | Permalink

    HW would do better to host Q and A on Mlive forums, as there would be a more sympathetic audience that would engage him in discussing his INFO. There are a few members there that would not only validate it, but add to it as well.

  187. wobblie
    Posted January 15, 2018 at 8:00 am | Permalink

    HW is all knowing much like Oz.

  188. Hyborian Warlord
    Posted January 15, 2018 at 8:06 am | Permalink

    It reminds me of the kids at school who would be like “Know-it-all!” Weird to hear it from ‘grown-ups.’ Not trying to be validated by anyone here. Just putting up my knowledge against yours.

  189. M
    Posted January 15, 2018 at 9:12 am | Permalink

    It looks as though we were all wrong about Trump. Not only is he not racist, he’s the most non-racist person to have ever walked the earth.

    Happy MLK Day.

    Trump: “I’m the least racist person you’ll ever interview” http://hill.cm/FTbD25s

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