I don’t have a lot of time, and it’s already old news by this point, but, as I didn’t have time to mention it last night, I wanted to at least note the fact that, yesterday morning, as promised, the first indictments in Robert Mueller’s Russia investigation were made public. Here, with a brief recap, is a clip from the legal blog Lawfare.
The first big takeaway from Monday morning’s flurry of charging and plea documents with respect to Paul Manafort Jr., Richard Gates III and George Papadopoulos is this: The president of the United States had as his campaign chairman a man who had allegedly served for years as an unregistered foreign agent for a puppet government of Vladimir Putin, a man who was allegedly laundering remarkable sums of money even while running the now-president’s campaign, a man who allegedly lied about all of this to the FBI and the Justice Department.
The second big takeaway is even starker: A member of President Trump’s campaign team admits that he was working with people he knew to be tied to the Russian government to “arrange a meeting between the Campaign and the Russian government officials” and to obtain “dirt” on Hillary Clinton in the form of thousands of hacked emails—and that he lied about these activities to the FBI. He briefed President Trump on at least some of them…
And it’s this second takeaway, which involves a member of the Trump campaign team by the name of George Papadopoulos, that I’d like to talk abut right now.
When the news broke yesterday that Manafort, and his business partner, Gates, had been asked to turn themselves in, it wasn’t a surprise to anyone who has been following the case. We, after all, knew that Manafort’s residence had been raided by the FBI, and it was already pretty clear that he’d been engaged in his share of money laundering and unscrupulous behavior on the part of the Putin regime in the past. In fact, reporters were waiting outside his Virginia condo on Monday morning, expecting that he’d be one of the individuals named in Mueller’s indictments. Papadopoulos, though, was a name that people weren’t expecting. And, unlike Manafort and Gates, who were charged with 12 felony counts each, Papadopoulos, according to the the unsealed documents, had actually already plead guilty to the charge of having lied to federal investigators. And that’s not all. According to the documents, Papadopoulos had become a “proactive cooperator,” which, according to federal prosecutors interviewed today, means that he likely “wore a wire.”
Papadopoulos, if you’ve never seen him before, is the dark haired young man staring at Jeff Sessions in this official photo of Trump’s foreign policy advisory team, which was released in the run up to the election.
Trump, as you might expect, has done everything he could today to distance himself from Papadopoulos, who he referred to as a “low level volunteer” and a “liar” on Twitter this morning, perhaps unaware of the fact that we could, by way of a simple Google search, find evidence that, back in March of 2016, Trump not only officially named him as a member of his foreign policy team, but called him an “excellent guy.” [Papadopoulos, who was only 29 a the time, was an oil and energy consultant.] And, now that he’s been named in the investigation, we’re learning more about his role within the Trump campaign, where, contrary to what we’re hearing today, he didn’t just fetch coffee. Papadopoulos, as the Washington Post reported today, not only traveled on behalf of the Trump campaign, but, among other things, “sat at the elbow” of Jeff Sessions during a dinner for campaign advisers weeks before the Republican National Convention. What’s more, Trump foreign policy adviser Carter Page just came out and admitted that he could have exchanged emails with Papadopoulos about Russia during the campaign, indicating that he was, in fact, a contributing member of the team.
Here, with a little more background on what Papadopoulos did for the campaign, is a clip from Wired.
…Papadopoulos had worked with people he knew to be involved at a high level with the Russian government in an attempt to obtain “dirt” on Hillary Clinton, notably thousands of stolen emails. He had worked to “arrange a meeting between the Campaign and the Russian government officials,” and had otherwise endeavored through multiple rounds of contact with both Russian-linked individuals and with the Trump campaign to coordinate gaining access to material that would harm Trump’s Democratic opponent. At least one of his contacts was with a woman he believed—evidently incorrectly—was a niece of Russian president Vladimir Putin.
Then he lied about that effort to the FBI—a violation of 18 U.S.C., Section 1001, and one of the easiest traps for federal investigators to spring on targets who think that the FBI is less savvy than it is—and made ham-handed attempts to cover up those lies by deleting social media profiles and changing his telephone number…
And, not just that, but, according to the documents released today, Papadopoulos did all of this with the knowledge and approval of a “Senior Policy Advisor,” a “High-Ranking Campaign Official,” and a “Campaign Supervisor.” But it gets even worse. It looks as though we now have a direct line to Trump… Here’s more for Lawfare.
… Papadopoulos says he attended a “national security” meeting on March 31, 2016, at which Trump himself was present, along with his other foreign policy advisers. In that meeting, Papadopoulos told the group that he had connections to arrange a meeting between Trump and Russian President Putin. This means that Trump either knew or should have known about his campaign’s effort to interface with Russia, even as news of various criminal hacking and attempts to interfere with the U.S. election were becoming public..
So, Mueller and his team apparently found out that Papadopoulos had been approached by a Russian operative shortly after he officially joined the Trump team, and offered hacked information about Hillary Clinton, which he then actively pursued with the blessing of his superiors. Then, after the election, on January 27, 2017, he was taken into custody by federal authorities at Dulles International Airport in DC, where he proceeded to lie about his activities. [Apparently smashing your phone and terminating your social media accounts just isn’t good enough when you’re up against the most accomplished investigative team in American history.] And, at some point, perhaps after Mueller’s people explained to him what life in federal prison was like, Papadopoulos agreed to help them in their investigation, in exchanged for a reduced sentence. [I’ve heard that he’ll likely have to serve about a year and a half, but I can’t find confirmation of that right now.] What’s more, the fact that the Papadopoulos’ plea deal was publicly announced yesterday would indicate that investigators think they’ve gotten all they can out of him.
So, just to recap, Papadopoulos could have been wearing a wire, and cooperating with Mueller’s team from late January until yesterday, when the deal was announced. And I’m sure, right now, everyone in Trump’s inner circle is trying to remember the last time they talked with Papadopoulos, and what exactly they might have told him. [Papadopoulos has definitely been cooperating with investigators since his deal with finalized on October 5, but he could have been assisting before that time as well.]
The thing that I still wonder about, though, is whether Trump and members of his team knew about Papadopoulos being taken into custody by authorities on January 27. My guess, given that January 27 was also the day Trump asked former FBI director James Comey to swear an oath of loyalty at the White House, is that they did know, but I suppose that could have just been a coincidence. [It’s also worth noting that Reince Priebus resigned the day after Papadopoulos was picked up by federal authorities.] Either way, I suspect Papadopoulos was able to provide useful information, given that he was in meetings with the likes of Jeff Sessions, Sam Clovis, Paul Manafort and Trump when the subject of Russian assistance was discussed. But, if Mueller was able to keep the July arrest quite, one can only imagine the audio that might exist.
If I were a betting man, I’d say the next domino to fall would be Clovis, who served as Trump’s liaison on the campaign’s Foreign Policy/National Security team. Not only was it Clovis who originally brought Papadopoulos into the fold, but, interestingly, Trump offered Clovis a plum assignment at the USDA just six days before Papadopoulos was arrested at Dulles, perhaps in hopes of buying his silence. [Trump nominated Clovis to be the top scientist at the USDA. Clovis is not a scientist.] At any rate, one would assume that Clovis has a story to tell, as he knows absolutely everything that Trump communicated to the members of his Foreign Policy/National Security Advisory Committee, and it looks as though Mueller has put the pieces in place to get everything he can out of him.
Trump and his people aren’t likely to give up so easily, though. Having tried and failed to write Papadopoulos off as a low-level liar, whose only job on the campaign was to serve coffee, they’re now trying something new… They’ve launched a coordinated “he was just a naive kid” defense, in hopes of explaining all of this away as just something done by an overzealous “kid” who didn’t know any better, ignoring the fact that Papadopoulos was actually an adult who was encouraged by other adults within the campaign. [Apparently you’re still not a adult at 29, in the eyes of Sean Hannity and others, at least if you’re white.]
Sean Hannity & his pro-Trump allies could only come up with one excuse for George Papadopoulos, who pled guilty to lying to the FBI, his age pic.twitter.com/mBowyYe5WU
— Media Matters (@mmfa) October 31, 2017
The big takeaway for me in all of this is that Mueller is absolutely, fucking brilliant. He didn’t just announce the charges against Manafort and Gates, which he knew that some would write off, seeing as how, for the most part, they stemmed from illegal activities that took place outside the Trump campaign, but he announced the Papadopoulos guilty plea on the same day, completely nullifying the “witch hunt” argument. Not only is this a real, legitimate investigation, where people are actually facing deadly serious federal charges, like “Conspiracy Against The United States,” but there are already admissions of guilt from campaign team members who actively sought to attain the assistance of our enemies in order to acquire illegally hacked emails, and then lied to federal investigators about it. This, in other words, isn’t just another Benghazi investigation. This isn’t a politically motivated series of show trials. This is the real deal. And people will die in prison.
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Thanks. I hadn’t heard any of this. I was watching a Fox News special report about how Google’s cheeseburger emoticon has the cheese BENEATH the burger! Can you believe that?
http://www.foxnews.com/food-drink/2017/10/30/google-ceo-to-fix-burger-emoji-after-heated-debate-cooks-up-on-twitter.html
Sounds like the professor was full of shit; entrapment.
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/10/30/560816481/trumps-former-foreign-policy-advisor-pleads-guilty-to-lying-to-the-fbi
“In a footnote, the document adds, “Defendant PAPADOPOULOS later learned that the Female Russian National was not in fact a relative of President Putin. In addition, while defendant PAPADOPOULOS expected that the Professor and the Female Russian National would introduce him to the Russian Ambassador in London, they never did.”
Salon: “Jeff Sessions may be in big trouble after George Papadopoulos’ guilty plea”
Read more:
http://ow.ly/B59O30gg1Ax
If I follow your argument, HW, you feel as though these activities shouldn’t be considered illegal because members of the campaign only thought they were dealing with Putin’s niece, instead of a Russian operative claiming to be Putin’s niece. The fact that they engaged in conversations with agents from a foreign superpower about the acquisition of illegally hacked emails, and then lied to investigators about having done so, doesn’t concern you?
It’s a low level concern especially considering millions from Clinton/Obama went to Russian sources for bogus information designed to subvert the election. That is hardcore.
I’d also suggest, having now read a few of your comments on this matter, HW, that you don’t have a very sophisticated understanding as to how these types of campaigns are carried out. The Russians, in order to protect themselves, use cutouts, like this “professor”, to engage with people and ascertain whether or not they might prove useful. The outreach to Papadopoulos, we can be certain, was not their only attempt to find friendly individuals within the campaign. We know this for a fact, as we also have evidence of outreach to Trump Jr, which resulted in a Trump Tower meeting during the campaign between Manafort, an attorney for the Kremlin, and others.
It is amazing to me that you can will yourself into believing that Hillary Clinton personally sold uranium to the Russians, when no evidence exists, and no charges have been filed, but yet you fail to see what’s right in front of your face. Russia approached the Trump campaign through multiple channels to establish a relationship and offer help in defeating Clinton. This is a verifiable fact. We now have a guilty plea to prove it. We also have countless stories, like the one about Kushner attempting to establish a private communications channel from the Russian embassy, which I assume will be verified in time. I’m sorry it looks as though your favorite politician is going to jail, but this is serious stuff, and we need to pursue it for the good of our nation. This isn’t about putting Clinton into power. This is about saving our democracy. Mueller is a Vietnam vet, and a Republican. He served as head of the FBI under Bush. He is not a Democratic operative. Please stop embarrassing yourself.
•Michal Brown-18: Thug
•Trayvon Martin-18: Thug
•Tamir Rice-12: Looked 21
Papadopoulus-29: OK he lied! He’s a kid!
Was there a meeting?
How much do you want to bet Clinton’s lawyer contracted Fusion GPS and money flowed from her campaign? If I win you have to put ‘Hyborian Warlord Was Right’ on your banner for a month. If you win I will change my name to ‘I am a total DUMBASS’ for a month.
Is Trump still refusing to act on the Russian sanctions passed by Congress? If so, why?
“How much do you want to bet Clinton’s lawyer contracted Fusion GPS and money flowed from her campaign?”
Funding opposition research is not a crime. Being an accessory after the fact to hacking, however, is. If I were you, I’d spend less time worrying about who founded the Trump dossier, and more time considering the content, much of which has already been proven true.
I am pretty sure funding foreign governments for opposition research with campaign money and not reporting it is a crime. You have to report all campaign expenses over $200, let alone $12 million.
John Podesta and Debbie Wasserman Schultz both denied knowledge of the deal to Congress.
“The thing that I still wonder about, though, is whether Trump and members of his team knew about Papadopoulos being taken into custody by authorities on January 27. ” — This.
Without those stupid tapes, Nixon would have served out his term.
Without recordings, it will be hard to topple Trump. He doesn’t have very many friends though, even on his own team at this point. Once they get tax reform and maybe a judge or two out if him, I expect that the 25th amendment may be invoked to get him out of there. I don’t think Congress at that point will hold it back, with or without a trial.
That Bannon has mentioned it to Trump himself a few times tells you how toxic things are in the WH.
It’s Shakespearian. Can’t wait for this all to end, so I can watch the plays and read the books about it. It will be more entertaining then.
Looks like Clovis has already appeared before the grand jury and been interviewed by Mueeler and co last week, before the Papadopoulos indictment was made public.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/top-trump-campaign-aide-clovis-spoke-mueller-team-grand-jury-n816106
“The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand.” — All the President’s Men
Buzzfeed has a useful timeline.
Read more:
https://www.buzzfeed.com/kevincollier/trump-adviser-knew-russia-had-clinton-emails-before-the
“If I were you, I’d spend less time worrying about who founded the Trump dossier, and more time considering the content, much of which has already been proven true.”
What details have been proven?
Nothing to worry about.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/trump-says-clinton-should-be-the-focus-of-the-russia-probe-here-are-the-facts-behind-those-stories
“The Clinton Foundation did receive $145 million in contributions from individuals connected to Uranium One, beginning at least a year before the sale. And, in 2010, the year of the sale, former President Bill Clinton received $500,000 from a Russian bank for a speech he gave in Moscow.”
I hope this helps you in your quest for the truth, my Warlord.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/10/politics/russia-dossier-update/index.html
“I hope this helps you in your quest for the truth, my Warlord.”
“None of the newly learned information relates to the salacious allegations in the dossier. Rather it relates to conversations between foreign nationals. The dossier details about a dozen conversations between senior Russian officials and other Russian individuals. Sources would not confirm which specific conversations were intercepted or the content of those discussions due to the classified nature of US intelligence collection programs.”
Whoah, damning stuff there!
Yes, it is damning information. What they’re saying is that they’ve corroborated several of the data points referenced in the dossier. When Steeele, for instance, says that Person 1 in Country X called Person 2 in Country Y at such and such a time, journalists have been able verify, by talking with intelligence officials in various countries, that these calls actually took place. What they don’t know, however, is what was discussed on these calls, as that information is still classified. As for the “salacious allegations” in the dossier, no, they don’t have the tape. That was only one item in a 35-page document, though. Have you read the dossier? Do you understand that it’s about more than the pee tape? Do you understand that it’s not his predilection for golden showers and prostitutes that will eventually bring him down. Again, you’re focusing on the wrong things.
How can you know it is damning without knowing what calls they are talking about? I’ve read about the dossier but have not seen it. Have you read the entire text? Where did you find it?
Mark, these are white people doing white collar stuff–no one is going to die in prison unless they happen to already be old or sick when they go for their minimum security couple of months or years of featherball games.
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3259984-Trump-Intelligence-Allegations.html
Vanity Fair has something worth reading.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/11/the-west-wing-trump-is-apoplectic-as-allies-fear-impeachment
“YOU CAN’T GO ANY LOWER”: INSIDE THE WEST WING, TRUMP IS APOPLECTIC AS ALLIES FEAR IMPEACHMENT
Here’s the strangest part. It involves a plan of Roger Stone’s to have Mueller investigated for his part it the Uranium One sale.
Roger Stone believes defunding Mueller isn’t enough. Instead, Stone wants Trump to call for a special prosecutor to investigate Hillary Clinton’s role in approving the controversial Uranium One deal that’s been a locus of rightwing hysteria (the transaction involved a Russian state-owned energy firm acquiring a Canadian mining company that controlled 20 percent of the uranium in the United States). It’s a bit of a bank shot, but as Stone described it, a special prosecutor looking into Uranium One would also have to investigate the F.B.I.’s role in approving the deal, thereby making Mueller—who was in charge of the bureau at the time—a target. Stone’s choice for a special prosecutor: Rudy Giuliani law colleague Marc Mukasey or Fox News pundit Andrew Napolitano. “You would immediately have to inform Mueller, Comey, and [Deputy Attorney General] Rod Rosenstein that they are under federal investigation,” Stone said. “Trump can’t afford to fire Mueller politically. But this pushes him aside.”
Politics on the right is purely about the means, whatever means, to retain power. they have no interest in serving anyone via governance. The Uranium One thing is so transparent and desperate a pitch as to be painful. I have no idea why anyone buys their garbage diversions anymore.
But the instinct to righteous outrage does seem to be universal and universally compelling.
Cohen said he never went to Prague in his life like it says on page 34. Strike one.
Cohen said he never went to Prague in his life like it says on page 34. Strike one.
The Vanity Fair piece also says that Trump is blaming Jared for all of this, as it was Jared who encouraged him to fire Comey, which led to the appointment of Mueller. The night of long knives is coming.
Stee-rike two!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump–Russia_dossier
“Aleksej Gubarev, chief of technology company XBT and a figure mentioned in the dossier, sued BuzzFeed for defamation on February 3, 2017. The suit, filed in a Broward County, Florida court,[83] centers on allegations from the dossier that XBT had been “using botnets and porn traffic to transmit viruses, plant bugs, steal data and conduct ‘altering operations’ against the Democratic Party leadership”.[84] In the High Court of Justice, Steele’s lawyers said that their client did not intend for the memos to be released, and that one of the memos “needed to be analyzed and further investigated/verified”.[85]”
Stee-rike two!
The Mr. Warlord posts frequently.
It’s hard work keeping up with my fan mail around here.
“Here’s the strangest part. It involves a plan of Roger Stone’s to have Mueller investigated for his part it the Uranium One sale.”
What is strange about that? Mueller was the FBI director and there was an investigation into corruption surrounding Russian attempts to control uranium. Why did he not inform CFIUS the deal should not be allowed?
” The Uranium One thing is so transparent and desperate a pitch as to be painful.”
$145 million bucks worth of wrong.
I am concerned about what Trump may do as this investigation closes in on him. If it is determined that he is guilty of crimes, what will he do?
Tillerson and Mattis gave testimony Monday to Congress regarding Trump’s power to launch a preemptive attack on North Korea with a nuclear weapon. The answer is that he can, with no checks on him.
I don’t think it is beneath him to do this if his presidency is threatened. Others may disagree. We won’t know until it happens, unfortunately.
I am curious how this moment will unfold with his inner circle… the thoughts and actions taken when they realize they just followed this guy off the cliff. Will there be someone in the chain of command that breaks rank out of duty to country?
Maybe I’ve read too much Shakespeare, Dave, but I can’t help but think, by the time all is said and done, that there will be bloodshed in this White House, as people begin to turn on one another. From a strictly dramatic point of view, if I were writing this, Trump would sacrifice his son-in-law, at which point his daughter would run him through with some sort of historic artifact. Maybe Abraham Lincoln’s letter opener…. I know its far fetched, but so is everything else. I just can’t help but believe the ending is going to be even crazier than what we’ve seen thus far. But, maybe you’re right. Maybe the climax will come not with betrayal, but an attempt to avoid prison by launching nuclear weapons. I’d like to think, if that happened, someone in the White House would stop him, but I’m rapidly losing faith in Kelly, and I don’t know who else would…. It’s both terrifying and fascinating…. Everything you’d expect from a good reality television series.
I think the reports that Trump is irate with Jared are pretty interesting. Maybe he will deliver the really good stuff on Donald to save his own skin.
Also, HW, you are just hilarious in every way. Our own little Sean Hannity.
http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/u-s-national-news/1505-vp-pence-makes-history-first-sitting-vp-to-personally-visit-minot-nuclear-missile-base-reportedly-tells-crews-if-the-order-comes-launch
“Bob
Posted November 1, 2017 at 8:30 pm | Permalink
Also, HW, you are just hilarious in every way. Our own little Sean Hannity.”
Then break down my comments. Don’t make ineffectual little sniping attacks.
“Mueller was the FBI director and there was an investigation into corruption surrounding Russian attempts to control uranium. Why did he not inform CFIUS the deal should not be allowed?”
“ineffectual”: not sure you know what that word means.
the other day I thought mark had banned you, when i pulled up this blog and didn’t see a long list of Hyborian Warlords in the most recent comments. i was actually interested again! real people talking, not just pointless arguing with a right-wing troll?! but alas.
You’re the worst thing that’s happened to this blog in a long time. straight up tedious.
How come you never ever have one thing to say about the substance of my posts but you call me a troll? How does it do anything against my information to just fling shit at me?
In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting quarrels or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal, on-topic discussion, often for the troll’s amusement.
Disinterest, HW. You are in fact yelling into the void. If you review the pattern, you will see that when you demonstrate interest in anyone else’s point of view, you get more engagement. It’s not discourse when it’s all one sided. Your ideological fortress is impenetrable. Why would anyone want to argue it? What would be our motivation? What could we learn?
“In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting quarrels or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal, on-topic discussion, often for the troll’s amusement.”
But I am sincere and way more on topic than a whole bunch of you who mostly just fling shit. You don’t have to be upset there is someone posting information. Just respond to it intelligently and we can have a conversation. When you attack me you are the troll. I’ve dealt with such extreme trolling online for so long I am impervious to it. It’s not going to do anything. If anything it just makes me want to burn you with knowledge more than I already have.
I think you need a hug.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/feb/02/what-happened-confronted-cruellest-troll-lindy-west
http://time.com/4457110/internet-trolls/
Weird Al could make a song for HW – He blinded with me knowledge – he flummoxed me with conspiracy.
Yeah, I mostly scroll passes anything HW posts…its so ludicrous and he does over post as I have pointed out before. And all he does is whine about Hillary.
It figures people on a site whose stance is if you didn’t vote Clinton then fuck you would see proper scrutiny of her crimes as whining. If you didn’t make all these bitter little quips about Hyborian Warlord the persona I would post less. Think! And respond. That’s better.
yeah i think most people have tuned out HW, but still the name is there always, and always to be scrolled past, with the same alternating self-pity and self-aggrandizement.
I wish HW would start his own blog, but i understand that he has no audience but mark’s. he is the most sincere of parasites.
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Every time you do it it proves my point. You can’t answer my questions so it’s shit-flinging time.
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I just ignore him most of the time too. I used to fact check him but after a while I concluded that there is no point and it is safe to assume that most likely he is repeating a lie or half truth. He has no credibility and obviously so. I feel no need to correct him anymore
After a while you figured out you couldn’t do it. Every time you engage me it ends up bad for you.
Clinton campaign lied about funding Fusion GPS.
Clinton Foundation got $145 million from Uranium One people before, during and after the deal was approved.
Mueller had knowledge of corruption by Russia to gain control of US uranium before the deal.
HW,
When I compare the Clinton Uranium deal with the Trump campaign meeting with an individual to hear campaign dirt on their opponent it isn’t even close. On the one hand,the Clinton Foundation received millions of dollars in a quid pro quo. On the other hand, nothing was gained by the Trump campaign that wasn’t already published on Wiki Leaks. Talking to foreigners isn’t illegal. Do you think that the regulars on this blog think one is perfectly fine and the other an impeachable offense? How is it that they can do the mental gymnastics to reconcile the differences? Do you think that they know deep in their hearts that what Clinton did was wrong or are their brains somehow wired differently. Myself, if someone lies to the FBI, that’s a criminal offense regardless of the party affiliation. I couldn’t say the Republican is innocent while the Democrat is guilty under similar circumstances. How do you think they do it?
EOS, could YOU start a blog for you and HW? Send the link to FF and Dan and teh it could be called How Do You Think They Do It? You guys could really have fun w/o all these losers around.
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“he is the most sincere of parasites.” — I confess that I appreciate kic’s wit more when it’s not directed at me.
HW and EOS are the worst of trolls because of their earnestness. A little wit would really make up for all that bitter self-seriousness.
“EOS
Posted November 2, 2017 at 12:39 pm | Permalink
HW,
When I compare the Clinton Uranium deal with the Trump campaign meeting with an individual to hear campaign dirt on their opponent it isn’t even close. On the one hand,the Clinton Foundation received millions of dollars in a quid pro quo. On the other hand, nothing was gained by the Trump campaign that wasn’t already published on Wiki Leaks. Talking to foreigners isn’t illegal. Do you think that the regulars on this blog think one is perfectly fine and the other an impeachable offense? How is it that they can do the mental gymnastics to reconcile the differences? Do you think that they know deep in their hearts that what Clinton did was wrong or are their brains somehow wired differently. Myself, if someone lies to the FBI, that’s a criminal offense regardless of the party affiliation. I couldn’t say the Republican is innocent while the Democrat is guilty under similar circumstances. How do you think they do it?”
So intelligent as usual, EOS. It’s a catastrophic lack of self-awareness. With that comes an inability to cope with information outside of their room full of mirrors. It’s a larval state of development as per Timothy Leary (‘Info-Psychology’). They never took enough acid or meditated enough or just exercised their minds enough to budge them out of their illusions. I smashed my mirrors a long time ago and now the “whole world is here for me to see.”
Trump said he would lock her up. Since she has committed such serious crimes – charge her already and put her on trial. What is the Justice Department waiting for?
Charge Bubba too; shut down the foundation. Trump and Sessions could do it tomorrow if they really wanted … they don’t.
“Tommy
Posted November 2, 2017 at 2:48 pm | Permalink
Trump said he would lock her up. Since she has committed such serious crimes – charge her already and put her on trial. What is the Justice Department waiting for?
Charge Bubba too; shut down the foundation. Trump and Sessions could do it tomorrow if they really wanted … they don’t.”
I agree with that. Sessions needs to get his shit together or get out of the way. Podesta potentially facing indictment is a good sign.
HW and EOS Many of us believe the Clintons are corrupt. So is most of our ruling elite. They obviously have bought Obama. But they are no longer in power. It is Trump and his cortege of con men, philanders and straight up plunderers who are in charge. The Republican party is abetting their theft and corruption. All your harping about the Clintons does is distract from the current crop of thief’s in charge. The only possible motive, (since your are both intelligant and not buffoons) is your expectation of receiving something in return. A tax cut, but more likely the liberty to pursue your desire for a totalitarian christian country.
They let the war criminal Bush and Co. walk, of course they are going to let Clinton walk, they are part and parcel of the elite establishment just like Trump and friends. What we are witnessing is a spate between the elites. Nothing good will come of it for us working folks. As Mueller close in on Trump. he will wag the dog, a nuke on Pyongyang most likely. Will the Russians and Chinese sit by while we take out one of their lap dogs?
“wobblie
Posted November 2, 2017 at 3:35 pm | Permalink
HW and EOS Many of us believe the Clintons are corrupt. So is most of our ruling elite. They obviously have bought Obama. But they are no longer in power. It is Trump and his cortege of con men, philanders and straight up plunderers who are in charge. The Republican party is abetting their theft and corruption. All your harping about the Clintons does is distract from the current crop of thief’s in charge. The only possible motive, (since your are both intelligant and not buffoons) is your expectation of receiving something in return. A tax cut, but more likely the liberty to pursue your desire for a totalitarian christian country.”
It’s the Obama appointees that Trump failed to replace that are going after him with trumped up charges. Hillary Clinton literally grovels at Lyn de Rothschild’s feet. The problem is not just her and Bill’s criminal orbit, it’s what she represents which is entrenched in the USA political system in the two parties. McCain is one and look at how he works with Clinton against Trump. Bush and Kerry are both members of a secret society that admits only fifteen members a year. If you pay attention you start to see a disturbing pattern of globalist domination. This collusion probe is an expression of their need to stop Trump by any means necessary. It is because I am against totalitarianism that I support the president. I have never been religious but of course if someone wants to be Christian that is fine with me just like any religion.
HW you are a fool for putting any faith in Trump.
A first (at least as long as I have been reading Mark’s blog)!!!!
The Rothschild family is behind all of this according to the Warlord. Blame it on the Jew.
Bravo!!!!!!
I don’t operate based on faith. I try to keep my mind open to all possibilities. The whole thing could be 100% stage managed and the massive globalist attack on Trump could be a big psych-out. I am putting my money on that not being the case.
Trump correct again as Donna Brazile comes clean: Corrupt DNC bought and controlled by Clinton prior to election.
“Tommy
Posted November 2, 2017 at 6:35 pm | Permalink
A first (at least as long as I have been reading Mark’s blog)!!!!
The Rothschild family is behind all of this according to the Warlord. Blame it on the Jew.
Bravo!!!!!!”
It’s not blame. It’s just reality. Hillary “Let me know what penance I owe you [Lynn De Rothchild]” Clinton. You are cool with the Secretary of State being like that?
I haven’t been around often enough to read these trollish comments by Hyborian Warlord until now. Looks like I’m arriving just in time to see him spout off with some classic, but classic, anti-Semitism.
That’s both ugly and revealing, HW. For shame. If I were you, I’d go away and not come back. Maybe people will forget if you give them a couple of decades.
It’s anti-semitic to mention a Rothschild? That’s incredibly stupid.
What you are saying is you think it is fine for the Secretary of State to ingratiatingly BEG forgiveness from the CEO of an international bank for prying Tony Blair away from a meeting to go lobbying in Israel instead. To you it is anti-semitic to even speak of such things.
Donna Brazile fuckin’ your shit UP in her new book. Nice to see she has a conscience.
Re the Uranium diversion: https://www.facebook.com/Brutlive/videos/1814460295519148
I have no desire for a tolitarian Christian society. Last thing we need is a government dictating the affairs of the church. I want less government and more individual freedom. I don’t want government to impose my religion on anyone, but I want the freedom to live my life in accord with my personal beliefs. When they outlaw Christianity, I want to have left sufficient evidence for a quick conviction.
The Clintons and Bushes were both working toward the same globalist goals. Remember, Bush’s “war crimes” had the full support of both parties at the time. The small number of individuals who control the International Banking System exert supranational control with far reaching impact. I don’t believe that they are religiously motivated at all and certainly one can be opposed to their agenda without being accused of any Anti-Semitism. They are motivated by greed and not by any faith.
I don’t expect to get anything from Trump and I certainly don’t place my faith in him. I haven’t read all the details but I think his tax plan will move me from the 15% bracket to the 25% bracket and take away my state tax deduction. But he is an outsider, strongly opposed by all the elite, and I hope that he can move the country back to a government more in line with the Constitution.
“Jean Henry
Posted November 3, 2017 at 1:31 am | Permalink
Re the Uranium diversion: https://www.facebook.com/Brutlive/videos/1814460295519148 ”
Clinton was in fact responsible for the State Department designee who signed off on the deal.
The CFIUS overview goes on to say that the committee members are made up of the heads of each department and that these members are the ones who review each transaction. The Foreign Investment and National Security Act of 2007 states that CFIUS “shall be comprised of the following members or the designee of any such member.” Fernandez, presumably, was Clinton’s designee.
https://www.treasury.gov/connect/blog/Pages/CFIUS-at-a-Glance.aspx
WHO is CFIUS?
CFIUS is an inter-agency committee chaired by the Secretary of the Treasury. The members of the committee include the heads of the Departments of State, Defense, Justice, Commerce, Energy, and Homeland Security, as well as the heads of the Office of the U.S. Trade Representative and the Office of Science and Technology Policy.
The Director of the Office of Management and Budget, the Chairman of the Council of Economic Advisors, and the Assistants to the President for National Security Affairs, Economic Policy, and Homeland Security are observers. The Director of National Intelligence and the Secretary of Labor are non-voting, ex-officio members of CFIUS.
Paragraph beginning with “The CFIUS overview goes on to say” from:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/fact-check-did-hillary-clinton-personally-approve-the-uranium-one-deal/article/2010304
“Jean Henry
Posted November 3, 2017 at 1:31 am | Permalink
Re the Uranium diversion”
Clinton was in fact responsible for the State Department designee who signed off on the deal.
The CFIUS overview goes on to say that the committee members are made up of the heads of each department and that these members are the ones who review each transaction. The Foreign Investment and National Security Act of 2007 states that CFIUS “shall be comprised of the following members or the designee of any such member.” Fernandez, presumably, was Clinton’s designee.
https://www.treasury.gov/connect/blog/Pages/CFIUS-at-a-Glance.aspx
WHO is CFIUS?
CFIUS is an inter-agency committee chaired by the Secretary of the Treasury. The members of the committee include the heads of the Departments of State, Defense, Justice, Commerce, Energy, and Homeland Security, as well as the heads of the Office of the U.S. Trade Representative and the Office of Science and Technology Policy.
The Director of the Office of Management and Budget, the Chairman of the Council of Economic Advisors, and the Assistants to the President for National Security Affairs, Economic Policy, and Homeland Security are observers. The Director of National Intelligence and the Secretary of Labor are non-voting, ex-officio members of CFIUS.
The best thing about this is that if you’re correct, you get to haunt MM.com with incessant gloating about how you are the smartest person in Ypsilanti to realize it, and if you’re not correct, you get to haunt MM.com about how the conspiracy is still occurring, but you’re the only one smart enough in Ypsilanti to realize it. It’s a great gig, but a hug would’ve better. (づ｡◕‿‿◕｡)づ
I get lots of great hugs every day. It doesn’t take high intelligence to figure this stuff out. A person of average intelligence could easily understand it by simply paying attention.
I’m not saying you have above average intelligence. I’m saying that you feel that you are more intelligent than your fellow commentators.
Yeah…. and your right ear is inverted. How smart is that??? JK
“I’m not saying you have above average intelligence. I’m saying that you feel that you are more intelligent than your fellow commentators.”
I’m not saying that either. I’m saying it’s not really a matter of intelligence. It’s a will to know the truth.
As the Mr. Warlord continually maligns others are “stupid” or as “dumb” or, for females, as a “dumb bitch,” the above statement is rather suspect.
I have read a lot of the comments and this is how I feel: JCP2 feels that HW feels he is smarter than everyone else and despite HW saying he does not feel that way, JCP2’s feelings about how JCP2 feels HW feels should not be invalidate, I feel; yet I also feel, JCP2 might show more emotional wisdom by considering how HW might feel when JCP2 fails to consider how HW might feel when JCP2 fails to listen to HW’s feelings on how JCP2 feels HW feels.
hugs.
Iron Lung
Posted November 3, 2017 at 10:17 am | Permalink
“As the Mr. Warlord continually maligns others are “stupid” or as “dumb” or, for females, as a “dumb bitch,” the above statement is rather suspect.”
You already tried this one so you know what the answer is. I have no problem at all calling Jean Henry that. Don’t be like “he calls women dumb bitches”. Regarding “maligning” people that is all you do. I discuss information and occasionally indulge in defensive shit talk. Don’t dish it out if you can’t take it…and individually and collectively you seem to dish it as fast as you can.
“I have read a lot of the comments and this is how I feel: JCP2 feels that HW feels he is smarter than everyone else and despite HW saying he does not feel that way, JCP2’s feelings about how JCP2 feels HW feels should not be invalidate, I feel; yet I also feel, JCP2 might show more emotional wisdom by considering how HW might feel when JCP2 fails to consider how HW might feel when JCP2 fails to listen to HW’s feelings on how JCP2 feels HW feels.
hugs.”
I’m feelin’ that.
FF, (づ｡◕‿‿◕｡)づ
Given that HW lives in what my kids call ‘opposite land,’ I’m totally ok with him calling me a dumb bitch. I’ll take it as a compliment.
Please HW, bring it on. I would really prefer you direct your wrath at me than anyone else. It only reveals your own weaknesses. And I can totally take it. I’ve had a lot of practice. You haven’t landed a blow yet.
The reason I said that is you were obstinately lying about something you said only the day before. It was not just a character attack unlinked to any particular thing like you.
…like you do all the time.
BREAKING: Trump Aide George Papadopoulos Had Extensive Secret Contact With Putin Ally, May Have Met Putin in Athens in May of 2016
https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/927174696470061057
And he’s got Flynn and Flynn Jr. The rat exodus is coming.
It likely won’t get much play in the press, but this could be big.
WSJ: “Prosecutors Seek Plea Deal With Manafort’s Former Son-in Law”
Read more:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/prosecutors-seek-plea-deal-with-manaforts-former-son-in-law-1510223581
The LA Times: “Former Trump aide Richard Gates to plead guilty; agrees to testify against Manafort, sources say”
Read more:
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-rick-gates-plea-deal-20180218-story.html
Papadopoulos now says that he was framed.
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1055794607760519168
Comey
Has
A
Posse
I was wondering if any there are any big brain ColuMbo types out there who like to comment on this:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/hilltv/rising/412836-a-convenient-omission-trump-campaign-adviser-denied-collusion-to-fbi-source%3famp
FF who cares.
Are you going to start talking about Hillary’s email?
Here SAD. Something to make you happy: https://twitter.com/metroweekly/status/1230852843306913793/photo/1
What exactly is it that weshould we not care about, Sad?
Sad doesn’t answer questions, does he, FF?
I don’t think I’ve ever seen him answer one seriously anyway. You know the type. Don’t we all?
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