Toilet reading, Junglefowl, and restorative justice… on episode 27 of the Saturday Six Pack


During episode 24 of the Saturday Six Pack, there were quite a few good exchanges between Dr. Benjamin Edmondson, the new superintendent of Ypsilanti Community Schools, and the students who had gathered in the AM 1700 studio to ask him questions about his plans for the future of our district. Of those exchanges, my favorites had to do with Edmondson’s hardline suspension policy and his thoughts on restorative justice, which is essentially a way of dealing with offenses in a manner that favors community dialogue, accountability and inclusion over punitive measures and banishment. As the students and Edmondson were having their spirited debate about these issues, I made a note to myself that this was something I’d like to come back to in a future show… And that’s what we did this past Saturday night, when Executive Director of the Dispute Resolution Center Belinda Dulin, Executive Director of the Student Advocacy Center Peri Stone-Palmquist, and Restorative Practices Coach for the Ypsilanti Community School District Michelle Rose-Armstrong, came on the show to talk with me about restorative practices as they’re currently being employed in our local schools.

Among other things, the four of us discussed what restorative practices can look like in a school setting, the perception on the part of some administrators that these practices allow perpetrators to avoid meaningful punishment, and the commitment demonstrated by Ypsi Community Schools to ensure that these practices spread through our schools and classrooms.

Rose-Armstrong, seen here with Stone-Palmquist [right] and Dulin [below], informed us of the progress she’s made thus far in training Ypsilanti classroom teachers to employ elements of the restorative justice philosophy, which, as she and my other guests explain to us, isn’t just about dealing with issues once they arise, but avoiding such issues from arising in the first place by creating a culture of respect and empathy in which all members of the community feel as though they have a voice.



If I had a staff, I’d have a transcript for you. As I don’t, though, you’re going to have to listen for yourselves… You won’t regret it, though. It’ll be the best 45 minutes you spend today. I promise.

[If you would like to listen to episode twenty-seven of The Saturday Six Pack, you can either download it from iTunes or scroll the bottom of the page, where you’ll find the Soundcloud file embedded.]

At this point in the show, as our first guests were leaving the building, we listened to the most recent submission from our friend in Africa, Dr. Pete Larson, who, every Saturday morning, sends us another song that he’s written while eating breakfast in Kenya. This week’s contribution is titled, “All Tied Up.”

Then, at the 50-minute mark, we opened the doors of the studio and start welcoming in local people who have lined up to tell us about their cool, upcoming projects. The first to come in are Mark Ducker and Martin Thoburn, representing the Ypsilanti 24 Hour Shootout independent film competition, which is coming up the first weekend in October.

And this is probably a pretty good place to mention that I had a pretty bad cold during the show. Not only did I cough through the entire episode, but I also screwed up on several occasions, which I attribute to the cough medicine coursing through my veins. Most notably, I brought this segment with Thoburn and Ducker to a screeching halt as I attempt figure out how it’s possible that this could be their 4th annual event, when they just started in 2012. [I seriously stopped the whole show so that I could do the math in my head. Later, I tell two other guests to move their microphones closer to their “mouses,” when I’d been trying to say “mouths.”]

Here are Thoburn and Ducker discussing how the competition has changed since the initial launch, the state of the Michigan film industry now that the industry incentives are gone, and how they come to decide which distinctive elements to require the teams to incorporate each year.


Then, at the 1:05-mark, Erin Anderson-Ruddon and Katy Shay came in to tell us about the big zine show at Ypsilanti’s 22 North Gallery that they’re curating. While they couldn’t tell us much about the zines that would be at the event, as they hadn’t been made yet, they did let is slip that one will likely be about Murder She Wrote, which I found exciting. We also talked at length about embarrassing zines we’d all made as young adults. Anderson-Ruddon, if I remember correctly, said her first zine was just a long list of people she wanted to kill. Not surprisingly, Shay said that she had been scared of Anderson-Ruddon in middle school, where they had first become aware of one another.

Thankfully, Anderson-Ruddon never killed anyone, and is now a well-respected local produce manager. Here she is.


Shay shared that she first started reading Crimewave USA, the zine that Linette and I began publishing back in 1993, when she turned 18 and began using the toilet outside her parents’ home.


We discussed the trade-offs between zines and blogs… Zines live forever. Blogs, though, give the immediate gratification of reader comments… I could be wrong, but I think we agreed that zines are better.

At this point, publisher Colin Moorhouse forced his way into the studio and demanded that we talk about his magazine Ypsi Underground, which is now apparently underwritten by Materials Unlimited. He brought us to speed on his cult, and shared that their leader, a man they call Sprout, was going to be going to prison soon. Here he is telling us why his cult is better than other cults in town.


And, at the 1:34-mark, we were joined by the crew of the Dreamland Theater, who come in to tell us about their new show, Targeted Advertising, which features our old friend puppet Mark. [That’s puppet Mark at the top of this post, in case you didn’t recognize him in his space suit.] Here are Ryan Hughes, Naia Venturi, and Brian Bruxvoort exploring the boundaries of on-radio puppetry.


And, lastly, we talked about young love with newlyweds Melissa Coppola and Stefan Carr, who perform together as Junglefowl. I remember us talking quite a bit about slaughterhouses, and then forcing Coppola to join me in drinking a jar of freshly juiced kale that I’d brought from home. They also played three songs for us, and gave me a t-shirt, which I’m wearing right now.

If you remember the name Junglefowl, it might be from episode 23, when they popped by the studio to say hello. Here’s a photo from that episode. They’d been at their own wedding reception across the street when our mutual friend, Doug Coombe, had brought them over.


And here they are just a few minutes before we went live this past Saturday. [This photo was taken just prior to our interview, by photographer Chris Stranad as part of our Six Pack Portrait Project.] Isn’t it incredible how much they’ve changed after just a few weeks?

JungleFowl 1

Thanks, as always, to AM 1700 for hosting the show, Kate de Fuccio for documenting everything, and Brian Robb for running the board, making sure the bills paid, and insuring that the toilet paper stays stocked. [All photos above, except for the last one, were taken by Kate.]

If you like this episode, check out our archive of past shows at iTunes. And do please leave a review if you have the time, OK? It’s nice to know that people are listening, and, unless you call in, that’s pretty much the only way we know.


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  1. JAV
    Posted September 23, 2015 at 11:09 pm | Permalink

    In case anyone out there is thinking of providing promotional organic baked goods for the Saturday Six Pack, don’t bother. Your products won’t get a plug from Mark’s publicity machine.

  2. site admin
    Posted September 24, 2015 at 7:16 am | Permalink

    Chill the fuck out, JAV. Mark was working on a post about it, but Jesus Christ.

  3. Anonymous Too
    Posted September 24, 2015 at 8:05 am | Permalink

    If you ever do another show on restorative justice, I’d like to hear from young people who have been through the process, and hear from them what it was like.

  4. Jean Henry
    Posted September 24, 2015 at 8:14 am | Permalink

    As Katy Shay’s and Erin Anderson-Ruddon’s propagandist, I would just like to add that they are totally bad-ass in the most loving and generous and silly way.

  5. JAV
    Posted September 24, 2015 at 8:41 am | Permalink

    Who isn’t chilled the fuck out? Just passing along some advice from my personal experience with promotional ciabattas.

  6. TC
    Posted September 24, 2015 at 8:55 am | Permalink

    Can someone please explain this to me? It sounds like JAV dropped off some organic baked goods at the station, and now he’s pissed because Mark didn’t mention them in this post. Is that what’s going on here?

  7. JAV
    Posted September 24, 2015 at 9:22 am | Permalink

    @TC that’s pretty much accurate but they didn’t get mentioned or shared on the show either as far as I can tell. I’m not really pissed about it – Mark can talk about or not talk about whatever he wants on his radio show as far as I am concerned. It’s more that it was pissing away promotional organic ciabattas, much like what happens when trying to type in anything intelligent or thoughtful into the comments on this crazy blog.

  8. BrianR
    Posted September 24, 2015 at 10:02 am | Permalink

    Payola is a complicated business.

    I kept the ciabattas away from Mark as he was sick and I didn’t want to see him ruin promotional bread. He probably didn’t even know they were there. I’ve eaten a lot of things I shouldn’t have just because they were leaning against the door. I’ve learned to be more cautious.

    We didn’t share them on the air either because I didn’t have my toaster with me, and I really wanted to eat them as toast (which I did on Sunday morning).

    For what it’s worth, the picture of the bread was the photo album cover and that’s seen by millions of fans who follow our Facebook page. You can’t buy that kind of coverage.

    I think the lesson we’ve all learned from this experience is if you want to murder Mark, leave free stuff for him to eat on the ground outside of the station.

  9. JAV
    Posted September 24, 2015 at 10:21 am | Permalink

    I should have known the conspiracy went all the way up to city hall.

  10. TC
    Posted September 24, 2015 at 10:41 am | Permalink

    So JAV dropped off bread for Mark, the station owner kept it for himself, and Mark got yelled at for not giving a free plug? This is like Bannergate all over again. So much hair trigger anger in Ypsilanti.

  11. TC
    Posted September 24, 2015 at 10:43 am | Permalink

    You should bring your show to Ann Arbor, Mark. We’d treat you better.

  12. JAV
    Posted September 24, 2015 at 4:04 pm | Permalink

    The sarcastic cynicism on here is very deep and comments are often difficult to interpret. Sincerely, I don’t care that much and am not angry. I don’t get what the weird reference from Councilman Robb about wanting to murder Mark is about. Payola is providing money or other payment in exchange for guaranteed airplay or positive coverage without notice of sponsorship. Saying “we got some promotional organic ciabattas. They exist and are available for sale at the farmers market” certainly does not qualify as payola. Hopefully the breads found good homes in hungry bellies. I had an emergency surplus because no one showed up to the rainy market and happened to be next to the studio that afternoon. I’m baking fresh loaves for both Ypsi markets every week through the end of October: Tuesday 3-7pm on Washington St and Saturday 9am-1pm in Depot Town. People seem to like them a lot. Mention this and get a dollar off a $4 loaf at either market this week and learn my not-at-all secret identity.

  13. kjc
    Posted September 24, 2015 at 4:31 pm | Permalink

    “In case anyone out there is thinking of providing promotional organic baked goods for the Saturday Six Pack, don’t bother. Your products won’t get a plug from Mark’s publicity machine.”

    JAV…this was kind of cynical, sarcastic and hard to interpret. it doesn’t exactly come off as “i don’t care that much” or “I’m not angry”. know what i mean?

    but ciabatta sounds good. maybe see you on saturday.

  14. JAV
    Posted September 24, 2015 at 5:04 pm | Permalink

    kjc, I agree. I didn’t mean to imply that my own comments were excluded from that characterization of cynical, sarcastic and difficult to interpret. I often struggle to find the appropriate community tone to fit in when commenting on here. I don’t really understand why it comes off as angry though, it was supposed to be a playful joke (because in reality I don’t expect a lot of people to be looking on this blog for advice on providing promotional organic baked goods to low-power AM radio shows).

    I apologize for derailing with my off-topic complaint. I thought the radio show was pretty good. I especially liked the song by Dr. Larson of Kenya and listening to Mark struggle to count to 4. The zine show sounds really cool too.

  15. Posted September 24, 2015 at 8:28 pm | Permalink

    “Continuing coverage of Ciabattagate 2015!”

    Where to begin?

    I did not know the bread existed until the day after the show. Kate stopped by my house Sunday afternoon with a few loaves, telling me that there had been a third and that she and Brian had eaten it. I took them inside, looked at them for a while, and eventually ate them. They were good. I was planning to post something about it. (I was going to say that, had I not been too sick to go shopping, I doubt I would have eaten a loaf of bread left outside the station for me.) But now it seems as though the moment has passed. It was good bread, though, and I’m sorry, Jason, that it wasn’t mentioned on the air. Next time, though, before assuming the worst, just drop me a note. I really had no idea that you’d left bread until 20 hours after we left the air, and I was totally going to mention it here on the blog.

  16. JAV
    Posted September 24, 2015 at 10:44 pm | Permalink

    Mark, I am often baffled by how much of a total dick you are. Makes for good blogging I guess

  17. TC
    Posted September 25, 2015 at 7:15 am | Permalink

    FYI, Mark isn’t the one that looks like a dick here.

  18. JAV
    Posted September 25, 2015 at 11:14 am | Permalink

    @TC, to recap: I tried to dropped off some of my extra ciabattas hoping they might get a minor plug on the radio show. They did not and I made a blog comment noting that. WHAT A DICK!

    Mark has not mentioned the farmers market on his blog or radio show in the last several years despite the Tuesday 3-7pm one being only a few blocks from his home and he claims to be an enthusiastic supporter of small local business, of which there are several brand new ones represented at the market this year. Everything on “local food” is about Ann Arbor or the Zingerman’s Community of Bullshit. ALL HAIL THE VOICE OF YPSILANTI!!!

  19. Rat
    Posted September 25, 2015 at 11:29 am | Permalink

  20. Stupid Hick
    Posted September 25, 2015 at 12:40 pm | Permalink

    I will have a gallon of artisanal vegetable oil delivered to the show, if Mark will drink the whole thing on air, and mention it came from an anonymous stupid hick that trolls his blog

  21. Stupid Hick
    Posted September 25, 2015 at 12:46 pm | Permalink

    “Everything on “local food” is about Ann Arbor or the Zingerman’s Community of Bullshit.”

    Aha, I didn’t understand why JAV was ranting about Jean’s career as a propagandist, until now. Can’t say I agree though. IMO Jean is logical, truthful, and authentic. But not really very “Ypsi”.

  22. anony
    Posted September 25, 2015 at 12:52 pm | Permalink

    So, the restorative justice thing… I have been told very conflicting things about the restorative justice program and its results or rather its lack of results. As well as the issues surrounding it like students gaming the system.

    So what is really going on?

  23. Dan
    Posted September 25, 2015 at 1:13 pm | Permalink

    I hope does not ignore Ciabattagate 2015.

  24. JAV
    Posted September 25, 2015 at 2:01 pm | Permalink

    @Stupid Hick, the logic part came directly from Ms. Henry’s own expressed disdain for logic:
    “So yeah, almost all claims of ‘logic’ or ‘reason’ in my experience are just dismissive rationalizations for doing what you want to do.”

    As for being an enemy of truth, that was a combination of her relentless work defending the Zingerman’s very successful brand marketing image as “a great place to work that has always paid their employees a fair living wage and has a sustainable environmental impact” from the large body of factual information to the contrary. Also for some reason, she recently seemed very offended when I pointed out that the trailer park where Iggy Pop grew up is located in Pittsfield Township (and AAPS district). I guess it was because that fact runs contrary to one of the cores of Mark’s brand image and his fantastical view of the city of Ypsilanti.

    I hope I have cleared that up and I apologize for the vagueness.

  25. Posted September 25, 2015 at 8:09 pm | Permalink

    I’m truly sorry that I can’t write exactly what everyone wants me to write. I only have so much time, though, what with the two kids, the full time job, and all the other shit I do. Has it been a long time since I’ve written about the farmers market? Yeah, probably. It’s also been several months since I went on summer vacation with my family and I still haven’t posted about that. I have pages and pages of stuff that I’d like to write about. I just don’t have time. And, to be honest, I get exponentially less interested in writing about things that I’m told to write about. Which is unfortunate, as I actually like the new farmers market setup… For what it’s worth, I also never called myself the Voice of Ypsilanti, and I’d love it if someone else would like to knock me off my perch as the guy who writes the most read blog in Ypsi. It’s not a position I ever wanted. I didn’t sign up to run the community bulletin board. I just wanted to write about stuff that interested me. And I’m sorry, JAV, if you didn’t understand that… if you thought that perhaps I’d been hired by the state to write about farmers markets and other things you’re passionate about. Seriously, though, if you started a blog about local food entrepreneurship, I think that would be great. I do things from time to time. I’ve written about your company, Nightshade, in the past. And, not to long ago, I wrote about the Ann Arbor Seed Company. But I have pretty broad interests. And I’ve got a life away from the blog that I need to balance. And, to be honest, I don’t much appreciate being called a dick. If you don’t like what I’m doing here, don’t come back.

  26. JAV
    Posted September 25, 2015 at 9:07 pm | Permalink

    If you don’t like being called a dick, you should work on not being such a condescending asshole all the time. You are a real fucking idiot and a complete fraud. Congratulations, I’m not coming back on this piece of shit blog.

  27. Dan
    Posted September 26, 2015 at 9:01 am | Permalink

    Someone’s man-bun is tied too tight

  28. Washington Machine
    Posted April 8, 2016 at 12:59 am | Permalink

    God, this was a beautiful episode.

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