If there’s one thing I learned from the assassination of JFK…

AllenDulles

It doesn’t do me a bit of good, as he’s long dead, and I can’t imagine any scenario in which he would have ever worked for me, but, after 30 years of reading about the assassination of John F. Kennedy, this is the one thing I’m sure of… Allen Dulles isn’t someone you want to have as an enemy.

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  1. Posted November 21, 2013 at 9:21 pm | Permalink

    And, no, I don’t know for certain that Dulles was involved. I just know that he, as part of his job running the CIA, had other world leaders murdered, and that he was none too fond of the Kennedys, especially after being escorted away from the CIA.

  2. Go Dog Go
    Posted November 22, 2013 at 8:29 am | Permalink

    If I were looking for a life lesson to draw from the events in Dallas it would be Don’t Fuck the Girlfriends of Mob Bosses.

  3. Tree Town
    Posted November 22, 2013 at 10:45 am | Permalink

    From the Mary Ferrell Foundation.

    http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/The_CIA_and_the_JFK_Assassination

    Was the CIA Involved in the JFK Assassination?

    But what about the big question – was the CIA involved in the Kennedy assassination? Certainly there were those in the Agency – particularly among those involved in the Bay of Pigs and other anti-Castro operations – who came to hate President Kennedy over lack of action to remove Castro. This intensified in the aftermath of the Cuban Missile Crisis and the spring 1963 crackdown on exile groups operating against Cuban targets (and Soviet ships) from U.S. soil. When the Castro assassination plots were revealed in the 1970s, means was added to motive, and this led many to suspect that the CIA, or at least some officers and agents of it, were involved in Kennedy’s death.

    But is there any direct evidence of such involvement, beyond the meager confessions noted earlier and the discredited allegation that Howard Hunt and Frank Sturgis were two of the three “tramps” found in a boxcar not far from Dealey Plaza?

    The evidence is circumstantial, but not absent. First of all, there is no serious question that the CIA has been involved in cover-up of its pre-assassination knowledge of Lee Harvey Oswald. In particular, the official story of the Oswald visit to Mexico City is fraught with problems. Overwhelming evidence exists that at least one tape of a person calling himself Oswald, contacting the Soviet Embassy, were available on November 22, and not “routinely recycled” as CIA officials later claimed. More importantly, FBI agents in Dallas who listened to recordings determined that it wasn’t Oswald’s voice on the tape.

    The complex Mexico City story, not easily summarized, smells of cover-up in many other ways. The HSCA’s Lopez Report flatly states that the CIA’s contention that it didn’t know Oswald had visited the Cuban Embassy until after the assassination is simply “incorrect”. The idea that Oswald was an unimportant “blip on the Station’s radar” was disputed by no less than CIA Mexico City station chief Win Scott, and one headquarters officer told the HSCA that when the name Oswald came on the radio after the assassination “the effect was electric.” Propaganda officer David Phillips told HSCA investigators many contradictory stories; investigator Dan Hardway told author Gaeton Fonzi that “I’m firmly convinced now that he [Phillips] ran the red-herring, disinformation aspects of the plot. The thing that got him so nervous was when I started mentioning all the anti-Castro Cubans who were in reports filed with the Warren Commission and every one of them had a tie that I could trace back to him. That’s what got him so upset. He knew the whole thing could unravel.” Other agency employees dispute the official story in various ways. Explaining why CIA Headquarters sent out two cables on the Oswald with false information, prior to the assassination, officer Jane Roman said, “To me its indicative of a keen interest in Oswald held very closely on the need to know basis.”

    The issue of a cover-up related to the Mexico City visit is hardly academic. Allegations that Oswald was in league with the Soviets and Cubans, and had been in contact with a KGB assassinations expert while in Mexico City, fueled the fear of World War III and helped put together the Warren Commission. Lyndon Johnson told Senator Russell that, after Earl Warren refused to serve on the Commission multiple times, “I just pulled out what Hoover told me about a little incident in Mexico City,” and Warren relented, reportedly with tears in his eyes.

    There are indications that the Mexico City visit was a CIA operation of some sort, possibly related to operations against the Fair Play for Cuba Committee “in foreign countries” where the CIA told the FBI in September 1963 that it was “giving some thought to planting deceptive information which might embarrass the Committee in areas where it does have some support.” A sensitive CIA operation might explain why FBI Domestic Intelligence officer Marvin Gheesling took Oswald’s name off a watch list the day before a cable reporting the Oswald visit reached Washington DC. Oswald had been on this list, which ensured that incoming information on Oswald would be routed to the FBI’s espionage division, since 1959.

    But there are many motives for cover-up. If there was an intelligence connection to Oswald, and the Mexico City visit was part of this, might this alone explain the need for a cover-up? Perhaps CIA leaders decided it could simply not afford the embarrassment of an association with the man alleged to have killed the President?

    This many years later, with inadequate investigation of these issues by those empowered to do so, reaching definitive conclusions is difficult. John Newman, a former military intelligence analyst who has studied these matters closely, concluded in a recent update to his Oswald and the CIA that there was one man with his fingerprints in all the right places – legendary CIA CounterIntelligence chief James Angleton. Angleton’s division opened the Oswald file in 1960 and had it under close wraps in 1963, thus controlling the time bomb of information coming from Mexico until it was too late. CounterIntelligence officers were involved in the cabling of false information about Oswald surrounding that trip. Angleton also took over liaison functions with the Warren Commission, launching the CounterIntelligence division’s long history with the post-assassination investigations. Newman writes that Angleton was one of very few who could be the “designer” of a plot which created such explosive information about Oswald and then kept it dormant until November 22, 1963.

    Newman’s analysis notes the importance of focusing on the actions of individuals – it is nonsensical to say that an agency as large as the CIA killed Kennedy. Even those who say that the assassination was run “from the top” of the Agency often excuse John McCone, who was after all the Director. The CIA is highly compartmentalized; the number of Agency officers knowledgeable about the Castro murder plots, for instance, was not very large. The “need to know” test limits access to knowledge of any covert operation, let alone a plot to murder the president of the United States. But the allegation that CIA officers were involved in such a plot, while never proven, has only grown in strength over time, gaining the adherence of many who have studied the assassination closely.

    —–

    Also of interest.

    Confessions of Involvement

    “Someone would have talked,” goes the old refrain. In the case of some CIA officers and others associated with the Agency, they did talk. But who’s listening?

    In 2007, legendary Watergate burglar E. Howard Hunt died, leaving behind a taped “confession” in which he claimed knowledge of the plot to kill Kennedy but not active participation, describing himself as a “benchwarmer.” Hunt named names – including Lyndon Johnson, Tracy Barnes, William Harvey, Frank Sturgis, and others – but provided no substantiating details. For many observers, the hard-to-credit confession was a “last laugh” and a parting gift to his ne-er-do-well son, who has attempted to capitalize on it.

    Other confessions have carried a bit more weight. David Morales, Chief of Operations at the JMWAVE station in Florida where he trained Bay of Pigs participants and by some accounts was involved in assassination operations, was getting drunk one night with childhood friend Ruben Carbajal and a business associate named Bob Walton. Both men said that Morales went on a tirade about Kennedy and particularly his failure to support the men of the Bay of Pigs. Morales finished this conversation by saying “Well, we took care of that son of a bitch, didn’t we?”

    John Martino was not a CIA officer or agent, but did travel in circles which intersected with many of the Agency’s anti-Castro activists, including Morales and soldier-of-fortune and later Watergate burglar Frank Sturgis. Martino told family and associates that he had been involved in the assassination in a peripheral way, and that “The anti-Castro people put Oswald together. Oswald didn’t know who he was working for–he was just ignorant of who was really putting him together. Oswald was to meet his contact at the Texas Theatre. They were to meet Oswald in the theatre, and get him out of the country, then eliminate him. Oswald made a mistake…There was no way we could get to him. They had Ruby kill him.”

  4. Robert
    Posted November 22, 2013 at 10:46 am | Permalink

    In politics, if you are not pissing off a lot of dangerous people, you really aren’t terribly effective.

  5. Elf
    Posted November 22, 2013 at 11:06 am | Permalink

    The House Select Committee on Assassinations concluded the following. “The committee believes, on the basis of the evidence available to it, that Kennedy was probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy.” So you don’t have to be a crazy “conspiracy theorist” to believe that Oswald did not act alone.

  6. Meta
    Posted November 22, 2013 at 11:31 am | Permalink

    From the Lansing Online News.

    In 1975, David Slawson, a Warren Commission lawyer and lead investigator, publicly expressed grave doubts about the report’s honesty and accuracy. He was subsequently threatened by the CIA’s counter intelligence chief, James Angleton. During the phone call he was advised to remain “a friend to the CIA” and “to keep his mouth shut.”

    Read more:
    http://lansingonlinenews.com/news/10-little-known-facts-surrounding-the-execution-of-john-f-kennedy/

  7. Saint
    Posted November 22, 2013 at 12:24 pm | Permalink

    The Lansing On-line News article references the 1963 Chicago attempt. You’d be well served to look into it.

  8. WAKE UP
    Posted November 22, 2013 at 3:34 pm | Permalink

    Wake up sheeple. There was no assassination. Kennedy is still alive. The part of Oswald was played by Steve Buscemi.

  9. Rob
    Posted November 22, 2013 at 4:59 pm | Permalink

    JFK Conspiracy: Did Secret Service Stand Down?
    http://www.infowars.com/jfk-conspiracy-did-secret-service-stand-down/

  10. George 313
    Posted November 23, 2013 at 12:44 pm | Permalink

    There was a time, coming out of World War II, when the CIA ruled the country. It may still be like that now, but it was certainly the case when Kennedy was killed. They tolerated the electoral process, but they were essentially unaccountable. They pulled the strings. Kennedy sought to control them, and that’s why, even to this day, over one-third of Americans feel they had a hand in the assassination.

    http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/politics/poll-who-killed-kennedy/-/1719386/23112348/-/wy2qt3/-/index.html

  11. Bob
    Posted November 23, 2013 at 1:56 pm | Permalink

    Thinking the assassination was done by anyone other than Oswald is for the young, feeble and coke-addled Hollywood director types. Our government can’t get a website working in 2013, they certainly didn’t pull off a plot as complicated as that caper. They certainly couldn’t keep it hidden for 50 years.

    I can buy that they covered up knowledge of Oswald’s trip to Mexico and stated intentions prior. They certainly knew of his dangerous mindset and should have been on him. They certainly scrambled after the fact to cover their incompetence, but that’s about the end of it. I am amazed that half the population still buys this horseshit.

  12. Elf
    Posted November 23, 2013 at 8:42 pm | Permalink

    Our government disagrees with you, Bob.

    From the final report of the House Select Committee on Assassinations: “The committee believes, on the basis of the evidence available to it, that Kennedy was probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy.”

  13. Tango Uniform
    Posted November 23, 2013 at 11:22 pm | Permalink

    In one of Oswald’s few public statements after the assassination, he said “I’m a patsy”. Too bad he didn’t live long enough to explain what he meant by that statement.

  14. Bob
    Posted November 24, 2013 at 10:41 am | Permalink

    The House Select’s main assessment was that Oswald fired three shots, the second and third of which hit the President. There is little doubt that Oswald was a deeply disturbed, highly intelligent person.

    The patsy line is startling to be sure but there is no reason to believe it meant anything except that he had well rehearsed various scenarios in his warped brain. The guy was a loser and incapable of being a team player with anyone or any organization. The blueprint for the lone nut we all know too well these days. There is absolutely no physical evidence of any other killer.

  15. Robert
    Posted November 24, 2013 at 6:49 pm | Permalink

    Bob, I’d be interested in seeing what you make of the Davontae Sanford case. Have you read about it?

  16. Robert
    Posted January 18, 2014 at 10:39 am | Permalink

    Bob, are you suggesting that the incompetence of one group of people within one department of government can then be assumed for all groups in all other departments?

  17. Posted January 31, 2014 at 4:03 pm | Permalink

    Live webcast tonight beginning at Ten pm EST:

    Dubbed the ‘godfather of reality television’ for his work hosting and producing NBC’s smash show “Real People” John Barbour will present his award-winning documentary film “The JFK Assassination: The Jim Garrison Tapes” at UNLV’s Greenspun Auditorium on Friday, January 31 at 7 p.m. The screening is free and open to the public.

    The documentary, which contains a rare and exclusive interview with former New Orleans District Attorney Jim Garrison, examines the investigation into the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. Garrison, a longtime advocate of a federal government cover-up regarding Kennedy’s death, arrested and tried New Orleans businessman Clay Shaw for his alleged part, but was unable to get a conviction. Garrison, played by Kevin Costner in Oliver Stone’s 1991 hit movie “JFK”, maintained the belief that the CIA was ultimately behind the conspiracy.

    “If Oliver Stone’s ‘JFK’ is a brilliant dramatic rendering of the Garrison investigations, then ‘The JFK Assassination: The Jim Garrison Tapes’ is an excellent documentary companion piece, punchy as a tabloid, vivid as an eyewitness report. Like all good dissident journalism, it jolts, provokes, raises doubts, opens our eyes. And asks, most crucially, that they stay open,” said L.A. Times Film Critic Michael Wilmington.

    The film won the Documentary Award at the San Sebastián International Film Festival and received a Special Recognition Award by Werner Hertzog at the Vienna International Film Festival.

    Immediately following the screening of the film, best-selling authors Dick Russell, Joan Mellen and Jim Marrs will present new findings about the assassination of JFK and answer any questions from the audience. The event will be broadcasted live on the UNLV TV website at http://unlvtv.unlv.edu/live.htm and viewers will have the ability to submit questions to the panel of experts via Twitter.

    Livestream link:
    http://new.livestream.com/accounts/4237095/events/2691903

  18. Posted January 31, 2014 at 10:29 pm | Permalink

    Thanks, Robert. I’m watching now.

  19. Posted November 22, 2014 at 8:35 pm | Permalink

    51 years ago today.

  20. Posted April 30, 2017 at 12:54 am | Permalink

    Today I entered at least in 15 websites and blogs, looking for more subsidies to
    understand (really) without false testimony, how JFK died murdered.
    In those 15 websites and blogs I’ve been reading, I’ve encountered some discrepancies.
    Among the more discrepant of them, it was a matter saying that behind Lee Harvey Oswald no one was there to assist him in the assassination of JFK, which occurred on November 22, 1963, in Dallas – Tx.
    But on the Democracy Now blog, I picked up a very important phrase, which somehow confirmed everything I thought about a second or third person involved in the murder –
    “a guy named William Harvey, who was head of the CIA – Mafia plot against Castro and hated the Kennedys, “- and so on.
    The conclusion I came to was that the CIA was wrapped up in the case of JFK’s death, as well as the (even hidden) figure of former President Lyndon Baines Johnson. In my opinion, I believe the CIA did not perform a major role or did not want to deepen the investigations into the JFK case, out of simple and notorious conviction, that own CIA was also deeply rooted in the plot, and as such it would not yield its own wrists to the shackles of democracy.

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