You all know what I think about gun control. I’ve written about it here before. As some of you have pointed out, however, I haven’t done a very good job of being objective. While I’ve told you what I believe, I’ve admittedly done an insufficient job of presenting the well-reasoned arguments of my fellow Americans on the other side of the debate, who want for people to have continued access, without background checks, to armor-piercing bullets and high-power assault weapons with high-capacity magazines. In hopes of remedying that, I’d like to turn over today’s post to them. Here are gun rights advocates Alex Jones and James Yeager presenting their ideas for common sense solutions to the epidemic of gun violence in America.
Actually, now that I listen more closely, they aren’t so much offering solutions as they are threatening to kill those who are… Please disregard this post.
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After that video James Yeager had his handgun carry permit revoked by the state.
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/state-suspends-handgun-carry-permit-of-tactical-response?ref=fpa
You have no right to infringe on these people’s right to shoot who they please
Who do you think you are?
perhaps because it can be terrifying for thoughts and feelings to be experienced as concretely “real,” the small child develops an alternative way of construing mental states. in “pretend mode,” the child experiences feelings and ideas as totally representational, or symbolic, as having no implication for the world outside. his play forms no bridge between inner and outer reality. only gradually, and *through safe closeness to an attachment figure who can simultaneously hold together the child’s pretend and serious perspectives,* does the integration of these two modes give rise to a psychic reality in which feelings and ideas are known as internal, yet related to what is outside.
It’s also worth watching, if you haven’t already, this footage of a Fox News piece about how gun control isn’t necessary, being interrupted by news of another school shooting.
http://m.gawker.com/5974933/this-is-america-watch-as-yet-another-school-shooting-literally-interrupts-yet-another-conversation-about-gun-control
They do have a solution. More guns.
I like when Alex Jones tied it into Agenda 21.
Ted Nugent is our Rosa Parks.
http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/01/10/ted-nugent-says-gun-owners-will-be-the-next-rosa-parks/
I have liberal friends who send around anti-vaccine links from Alex Jones’ site and present them as fact.
I never know what to say to them.
Alex Jones is our Mahatma Gandhi.. He’s our Martin Luther King. King had his I Have A Dream speech, and our generation has this.
Alec Jones:
“THEY’VE GOT POISON IN THE WATER! POISON IN THE WATER! THIS IS A NORMAL RESPONSE TO THIS! THIS IS HOW THEY SHOULD HAVE RESPONDED TO HITLER! YOU’RE IN DANGER! YOU’RE IN DANGER! YOU’RE IN DANGER, EVERYBODY WATCHING! THEY CONTROL BOTH PARTIES! YOU’RE IN DANGER! WAKE UP! GET OUT OF YOUR TRANCE! THEY SHOULD HAVE RESISTED HITLER LIKE THIS!”
Prohibiting the use of SSRI’s would save more lives each year than banning assault rifles. Yet they remain among the most widely prescribed and profitable medications on the market today.
I usually don’t like to directly confront EOS when he posts on this site, but what the fuck do selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors – a class of antidepressants that are widely prescribed have do do with this subject? SSRIs don’t kill people. What are you getting at EOS? Hopefully you are not going down a path of these meds causing people to kill themselves. If you are, I can fill you in on some facts. Where you going with this one EOS?
here we go….
“SSRIs don’t kill people.”
I think you’re on to something there…
“Hopefully you are not going down a path of these meds causing people to kill themselves. If you are, I can fill you in on some facts.”
Fill us in…please.
http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Drugs/DrugSafety/InformationbyDrugClass/UCM173233.pdf
Wonder how many of these mass shootings were perpetrated by individuals under the age of 24 who were on, or recently stopped taking, antidepressants?
http://www.cchrint.org/2012/07/20/the-aurora-colorado-tragedy-another-senseless-shooting-another-psychotropic-drug/
Wonder why the FDA requires the black box warning on all drugs of this class?
I second the Real McCoy – Fill us in…please.
But there are SSRIs in Scandinavia.
The only thing you can do legislatively to prevent lunatics from doing crazy shit is to put everybody in a straightjacket. Certainly a few things could be changed, but hearing some people speak in response to Sandy Hook is scary to me.
The right of gun ownership is still a reasonable expectation in this country. The 2nd amendment is no less relevant today than it was in 1776. To me it demonstrated a sincere desire of the founding fathers to instill liberty rather than just to entrench their own rule. A well armed citizenry amounts to a restart button on government, allowing for easier overthrow in case of corruption. At the very least it keeps the powers that be from being too blatant in their abuses.
And do you really not feel a growing totalitarianism in this nation? Warrantless wiretaps and monitors on all avenues of communication; the disintegration of workers rights and social mobility; cameras in every store and on every stoplight, strip searches becoming the norm. The dystopian future depicted in sci fi is here, but it’s less “1984” more “Brave New World.” Everyone takes their soma (Well Tabs, Monster Energy, kitten videos) ravenously consumes what they don’t need, and engages in shallow convenient relationships. Anything else is deviant and leads to suspicion. Really, I shudder to think what we’d be subjected to if the population was not so well armed.
That being said, they could maybe stop selling Rambo sized guns to 18 year olds at Dunham’s
SSRIs are anti-depressants. They are used for disorders of mood. I would venture that these kids were most likely suffering from disorders of thought. Typically, those with mood disorders don’t go on shooting rampages. In rare cases that SSRIs have led to suicide, it it most often preceded by escalating episodes that can and should be recognizable by caregivers and clinicians.
Most if not all medications used for psychiatric treatments come with warnings.
“A well armed citizenry amounts to a restart button on government, allowing for easier overthrow in case of corruption. ”
Is my drunken neighbor going to be part of this new government? Because I’m thinking he doesn’t represent me.
There’s no guarantee that an “armed citizenry” will create a non-corrupt government. That’s complete nonsense and mostly fantastical thinking. Somehow, I don’t think that reactionary survivalists will tolerate dissent.
It’s a nice narrative, but the fact is that our government is much less than totalitarian. Though warantless wire-tapping, etc, is undesirable, the assertion that the United States is a totalitarian state is actually insulting to those who live, or have lived, under real tyranny.
“insulting to those who live, or have lived, under real tyranny.”
I don’t care about any of those cheese-smelling countries, I care about this country. Because some other countries have it worse we’re not allowed to root out corruption? That really doesn’t make sense.
And if you notice i made mention of GROWING totalitarianism. My point is that the amount of guns in this country keeps that at bay to an extent. Even though the arms stave off the flagrant stuff, I still believe that this is an oppressive country. They don’t need soldiers on the street when everybody has been castrated by convenience.
“My point is that the amount of guns in this country keeps that at bay to an extent. Even though the arms stave off the flagrant stuff”
What’s the “flagrant stuff”?
I like your theory, that guns in the hands of my drunken neighbors (yes, there’s more than one) or the Hutaree somehow guarantees civil rights in this country.
I’d rather just vote but I find your theory entertaining.
“I don’t care about any of those cheese-smelling countries”
What’s “a cheese smelling country”?
There’s a reason why every standing army issues assault rifles to their troops. Handguns may help you rob a liquor store, but aren’t an effective deterrent to an invading force or a tyrannical government. I fear a government that wants to disarm its law-abiding citizens.
Assault weapons won’t save you, EOS. Ask David Korsesh.
They allowed the Vietnamese civilians to successfully defend against the most powerful army in the world.
These killers are not always on SSRIs. They’re always male, though. Perhaps that’s what we should be looking at, EOS.
How does he remain so passionate yet composed and eloquent?
I do have a few questions about the upcoming fight he’s talking about though. He mentioned accidentally building an army and then suggested I get ready and start working out. I had previously been of the mind that I could improve society by trying to steer politics toward logical arguments for the greater good, but it seems like working out and getting proficiency with a firearm is a little more realistic. Now that I know the real deal, what weapon should I be practicing with?
Yeager, sitting next to his attorney in a recorded statement, apologizes, says he doesn’t think we should overthrow the government, asks for his guns back.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/15/james-yeager-tactical-response_n_2478594.html
There are people who think that the Sandy Hook shooting never happened.
The is from Alex Jones and Infowars.
Read more:
http://www.infowars.com/college-professor-says-crisis-actors-may-have-played-part-if-sandy-hook-was-indeed-a-hoax/
That’s nothing. If you really, really want to go down the rabbit hole, check this out.
http://www.henrymakow.com/is-this-deceased-emilie-parker.html
“I fear a government that wants to disarm its law-abiding citizens.”
Don’t go to Japan. You might have a heart attack.
I’m sure when Japan outlawed guns all the Yakuza lined up to turn theirs in so that now everybody there lives in a peaceful utopia.
First, Japan’s instances of gun violence are much lower than ours. Second, it sounds as though you’re equating those (in the U.S.) who don’t hand over their assault rifles with the Yakuza.
I used to live in Japan. My wife is from Japan. I speak Japanese. I go there every year. I will likely live there again one day.
Once again, EOS has no idea what she’s talking about.
It is a very, very safe place. If you’d bother to ever go there, and perhaps see what the rest of the world is like, you’d find out how safe it really is.
The Yakuza almost exclusively kill each other, but the gun laws are so strict now, that even they have given up guns.
Just touching a gun will get you prison in Japan.
Here’s a good article on guns in Japan:
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/07/a-land-without-guns-how-japan-has-virtually-eliminated-shooting-deaths/260189/
Anyone else notice that the shooter who killed 13 at the Naval base in D.C. was on prescribed medicine for a mental condition? Wonder if it was a SSRI? When will we investigate the linkage and stop the drug induced rampages?
I don’t want to derail your conspiracy theory, EOS, but couldn’t it also be that he was on medication because he was mentally ill?
“The apparency is that the person was mentally ill and went on a rage but when these cases have actually been looked at closer, what we find is that the person did not have any violent tendencies and in most cases was not even suicidal before they started treatment with their antidepressant medication.”
http://beforeitsnews.com/health/2012/07/mass-murders-and-the-ssris-connection-2417899.html
Look at the stories of the shooter in D.C. His friends are shocked he would do this sort of thing. Nice guy, quiet guy, into Buddhist meditation.. Goes to VA for PTSD, takes an anti-depressant, and becomes violent.
It makes total sense.
I can’t believe no one has thought of it before.
At least he’s not arguing that there were no victims, only actors.
We will only know true peace when we all have these.
http://i.imgur.com/AYxxRNR.gif
According to the attorney representing him in his custody trial, Alex Jones is pretending. “He’s playing a character,” the attorney says. “He is a performance artist.”