Alex Jones and James Yeager present common sense solutions to the epidemic of gun violence in America

    You all know what I think about gun control. I’ve written about it here before. As some of you have pointed out, however, I haven’t done a very good job of being objective. While I’ve told you what I believe, I’ve admittedly done an insufficient job of presenting the well-reasoned arguments of my fellow Americans on the other side of the debate, who want for people to have continued access, without background checks, to armor-piercing bullets and high-power assault weapons with high-capacity magazines. In hopes of remedying that, I’d like to turn over today’s post to them. Here are gun rights advocates Alex Jones and James Yeager presenting their ideas for common sense solutions to the epidemic of gun violence in America.

    Actually, now that I listen more closely, they aren’t so much offering solutions as they are threatening to kill those who are… Please disregard this post.

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      41 Comments

      1. Reid
        Posted January 12, 2013 at 9:35 am | Permalink

        After that video James Yeager had his handgun carry permit revoked by the state.
        http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/state-suspends-handgun-carry-permit-of-tactical-response?ref=fpa

      2. Posted January 12, 2013 at 10:01 am | Permalink

        You have no right to infringe on these people’s right to shoot who they please

        Who do you think you are?

      3. anon
        Posted January 12, 2013 at 10:20 am | Permalink

        perhaps because it can be terrifying for thoughts and feelings to be experienced as concretely “real,” the small child develops an alternative way of construing mental states. in “pretend mode,” the child experiences feelings and ideas as totally representational, or symbolic, as having no implication for the world outside. his play forms no bridge between inner and outer reality. only gradually, and *through safe closeness to an attachment figure who can simultaneously hold together the child’s pretend and serious perspectives,* does the integration of these two modes give rise to a psychic reality in which feelings and ideas are known as internal, yet related to what is outside.

      4. Posted January 12, 2013 at 10:24 am | Permalink

        It’s also worth watching, if you haven’t already, this footage of a Fox News piece about how gun control isn’t necessary, being interrupted by news of another school shooting.

        http://m.gawker.com/5974933/this-is-america-watch-as-yet-another-school-shooting-literally-interrupts-yet-another-conversation-about-gun-control

      5. anonymous
        Posted January 12, 2013 at 10:30 am | Permalink

        They do have a solution. More guns.

      6. Eel
        Posted January 12, 2013 at 10:44 am | Permalink

        I like when Alex Jones tied it into Agenda 21.

      7. Edward
        Posted January 12, 2013 at 12:52 pm | Permalink

        Ted Nugent is our Rosa Parks.

        http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/01/10/ted-nugent-says-gun-owners-will-be-the-next-rosa-parks/

      8. Posted January 12, 2013 at 4:02 pm | Permalink

        I have liberal friends who send around anti-vaccine links from Alex Jones’ site and present them as fact.

        I never know what to say to them.

      9. John Galt
        Posted January 12, 2013 at 4:08 pm | Permalink

        Alex Jones is our Mahatma Gandhi.. He’s our Martin Luther King. King had his I Have A Dream speech, and our generation has this.

        Alec Jones:
        “THEY’VE GOT POISON IN THE WATER! POISON IN THE WATER! THIS IS A NORMAL RESPONSE TO THIS! THIS IS HOW THEY SHOULD HAVE RESPONDED TO HITLER! YOU’RE IN DANGER! YOU’RE IN DANGER! YOU’RE IN DANGER, EVERYBODY WATCHING! THEY CONTROL BOTH PARTIES! YOU’RE IN DANGER! WAKE UP! GET OUT OF YOUR TRANCE! THEY SHOULD HAVE RESISTED HITLER LIKE THIS!”

      10. EOS
        Posted January 12, 2013 at 5:49 pm | Permalink

        Prohibiting the use of SSRI’s would save more lives each year than banning assault rifles. Yet they remain among the most widely prescribed and profitable medications on the market today.

      11. tommy
        Posted January 12, 2013 at 7:38 pm | Permalink

        I usually don’t like to directly confront EOS when he posts on this site, but what the fuck do selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors – a class of antidepressants that are widely prescribed have do do with this subject? SSRIs don’t kill people. What are you getting at EOS? Hopefully you are not going down a path of these meds causing people to kill themselves. If you are, I can fill you in on some facts. Where you going with this one EOS?

      12. Posted January 12, 2013 at 7:57 pm | Permalink

        here we go….

      13. The Real Real McCoy
        Posted January 12, 2013 at 9:15 pm | Permalink

        “SSRIs don’t kill people.”

        I think you’re on to something there…

      14. The Real Real McCoy
        Posted January 12, 2013 at 9:18 pm | Permalink

        “Hopefully you are not going down a path of these meds causing people to kill themselves. If you are, I can fill you in on some facts.”

        Fill us in…please.

      15. EOS
        Posted January 12, 2013 at 10:56 pm | Permalink

        http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Drugs/DrugSafety/InformationbyDrugClass/UCM173233.pdf

        Wonder how many of these mass shootings were perpetrated by individuals under the age of 24 who were on, or recently stopped taking, antidepressants?

        http://www.cchrint.org/2012/07/20/the-aurora-colorado-tragedy-another-senseless-shooting-another-psychotropic-drug/

        Wonder why the FDA requires the black box warning on all drugs of this class?

        I second the Real McCoy – Fill us in…please.

      16. Tammy
        Posted January 13, 2013 at 12:06 am | Permalink

        But there are SSRIs in Scandinavia.

      17. MurrayJane
        Posted January 13, 2013 at 2:41 am | Permalink

        The only thing you can do legislatively to prevent lunatics from doing crazy shit is to put everybody in a straightjacket. Certainly a few things could be changed, but hearing some people speak in response to Sandy Hook is scary to me.

        The right of gun ownership is still a reasonable expectation in this country. The 2nd amendment is no less relevant today than it was in 1776. To me it demonstrated a sincere desire of the founding fathers to instill liberty rather than just to entrench their own rule. A well armed citizenry amounts to a restart button on government, allowing for easier overthrow in case of corruption. At the very least it keeps the powers that be from being too blatant in their abuses.

        And do you really not feel a growing totalitarianism in this nation? Warrantless wiretaps and monitors on all avenues of communication; the disintegration of workers rights and social mobility; cameras in every store and on every stoplight, strip searches becoming the norm. The dystopian future depicted in sci fi is here, but it’s less “1984″ more “Brave New World.” Everyone takes their soma (Well Tabs, Monster Energy, kitten videos) ravenously consumes what they don’t need, and engages in shallow convenient relationships. Anything else is deviant and leads to suspicion. Really, I shudder to think what we’d be subjected to if the population was not so well armed.

        That being said, they could maybe stop selling Rambo sized guns to 18 year olds at Dunham’s

      18. tommy
        Posted January 13, 2013 at 10:29 am | Permalink

        SSRIs are anti-depressants. They are used for disorders of mood. I would venture that these kids were most likely suffering from disorders of thought. Typically, those with mood disorders don’t go on shooting rampages. In rare cases that SSRIs have led to suicide, it it most often preceded by escalating episodes that can and should be recognizable by caregivers and clinicians.

        Most if not all medications used for psychiatric treatments come with warnings.

      19. Posted January 13, 2013 at 1:08 pm | Permalink

        “A well armed citizenry amounts to a restart button on government, allowing for easier overthrow in case of corruption. ”

        Is my drunken neighbor going to be part of this new government? Because I’m thinking he doesn’t represent me.

        There’s no guarantee that an “armed citizenry” will create a non-corrupt government. That’s complete nonsense and mostly fantastical thinking. Somehow, I don’t think that reactionary survivalists will tolerate dissent.

        It’s a nice narrative, but the fact is that our government is much less than totalitarian. Though warantless wire-tapping, etc, is undesirable, the assertion that the United States is a totalitarian state is actually insulting to those who live, or have lived, under real tyranny.

      20. MurrayJane
        Posted January 13, 2013 at 4:41 pm | Permalink

        “insulting to those who live, or have lived, under real tyranny.”
        I don’t care about any of those cheese-smelling countries, I care about this country. Because some other countries have it worse we’re not allowed to root out corruption? That really doesn’t make sense.
        And if you notice i made mention of GROWING totalitarianism. My point is that the amount of guns in this country keeps that at bay to an extent. Even though the arms stave off the flagrant stuff, I still believe that this is an oppressive country. They don’t need soldiers on the street when everybody has been castrated by convenience.

      21. Posted January 13, 2013 at 8:53 pm | Permalink

        “My point is that the amount of guns in this country keeps that at bay to an extent. Even though the arms stave off the flagrant stuff”

        What’s the “flagrant stuff”?

        I like your theory, that guns in the hands of my drunken neighbors (yes, there’s more than one) or the Hutaree somehow guarantees civil rights in this country.

        I’d rather just vote but I find your theory entertaining.

      22. Posted January 13, 2013 at 8:54 pm | Permalink

        “I don’t care about any of those cheese-smelling countries”

        What’s “a cheese smelling country”?

      23. EOS
        Posted January 13, 2013 at 9:39 pm | Permalink

        There’s a reason why every standing army issues assault rifles to their troops. Handguns may help you rob a liquor store, but aren’t an effective deterrent to an invading force or a tyrannical government. I fear a government that wants to disarm its law-abiding citizens.

      24. Posted January 13, 2013 at 10:21 pm | Permalink

        Assault weapons won’t save you, EOS. Ask David Korsesh.

      25. EOS
        Posted January 13, 2013 at 11:08 pm | Permalink

        They allowed the Vietnamese civilians to successfully defend against the most powerful army in the world.

      26. Edward
        Posted January 14, 2013 at 6:33 am | Permalink

        These killers are not always on SSRIs. They’re always male, though. Perhaps that’s what we should be looking at, EOS.

      27. Posted January 14, 2013 at 1:47 pm | Permalink

        How does he remain so passionate yet composed and eloquent?

        I do have a few questions about the upcoming fight he’s talking about though. He mentioned accidentally building an army and then suggested I get ready and start working out. I had previously been of the mind that I could improve society by trying to steer politics toward logical arguments for the greater good, but it seems like working out and getting proficiency with a firearm is a little more realistic. Now that I know the real deal, what weapon should I be practicing with?

      28. Meta
        Posted January 15, 2013 at 12:07 pm | Permalink

        Yeager, sitting next to his attorney in a recorded statement, apologizes, says he doesn’t think we should overthrow the government, asks for his guns back.

        http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/15/james-yeager-tactical-response_n_2478594.html

      29. Meta
        Posted January 15, 2013 at 3:34 pm | Permalink

        There are people who think that the Sandy Hook shooting never happened.

        The is from Alex Jones and Infowars.

        Florida Atlantic University (FAU) Communication professor James Tracy postulated that “crisis actors” may have acted out roles simulating distraught parents, murdered teachers, and children portrayed to be dead in the Sandy Hook shooting, according to the Sun Sentinel.

        “As documents relating to the Sandy Hook shooting continue to be assessed and interpreted by independent researchers, there is a growing awareness that the media coverage of the massacre of 26 children and adults was intended primarily for public consumption to further larger political ends,” Tracy wrote on his blog site memoryholeblog.com where he lists a timeline of the events of the Sandy Hook tragedy as they played out in real time.

        If you’ve never heard of “crisis actors” you’re not alone, but a quick visit to CrisisActors.org should fill you in.

        Google lists a summary of the site as follows: “Helping schools and first responders create realistic drills, full-scale exercises, high-fidelity simulations, and interactive 3D films.” Tracy’s blog further notes, “The entourage’s personnel are ‘available nationwide for active shooter drills and mall shooting full-scale exercises.’”

        Before you can create an account on CrisisActors.org, the site also asks if you’ve undergone any Homeland Security training: “Do you have a certificate for any course completed at http://training.fema.gov?”

        Read more:
        http://www.infowars.com/college-professor-says-crisis-actors-may-have-played-part-if-sandy-hook-was-indeed-a-hoax/

      30. ooodkkd
        Posted January 15, 2013 at 3:41 pm | Permalink

        That’s nothing. If you really, really want to go down the rabbit hole, check this out.

        http://www.henrymakow.com/is-this-deceased-emilie-parker.html

      31. Posted January 15, 2013 at 4:02 pm | Permalink

        “I fear a government that wants to disarm its law-abiding citizens.”

        Don’t go to Japan. You might have a heart attack.

      32. EOS
        Posted January 16, 2013 at 6:21 pm | Permalink

        I’m sure when Japan outlawed guns all the Yakuza lined up to turn theirs in so that now everybody there lives in a peaceful utopia.

      33. Elliott
        Posted January 16, 2013 at 6:39 pm | Permalink

        First, Japan’s instances of gun violence are much lower than ours. Second, it sounds as though you’re equating those (in the U.S.) who don’t hand over their assault rifles with the Yakuza.

      34. Posted January 16, 2013 at 10:01 pm | Permalink

        I used to live in Japan. My wife is from Japan. I speak Japanese. I go there every year. I will likely live there again one day.

        Once again, EOS has no idea what she’s talking about.

        It is a very, very safe place. If you’d bother to ever go there, and perhaps see what the rest of the world is like, you’d find out how safe it really is.

        The Yakuza almost exclusively kill each other, but the gun laws are so strict now, that even they have given up guns.

        Just touching a gun will get you prison in Japan.

      35. Posted January 16, 2013 at 10:04 pm | Permalink

        Here’s a good article on guns in Japan:

        http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/07/a-land-without-guns-how-japan-has-virtually-eliminated-shooting-deaths/260189/

      36. EOS
        Posted September 22, 2013 at 9:12 pm | Permalink

        Anyone else notice that the shooter who killed 13 at the Naval base in D.C. was on prescribed medicine for a mental condition? Wonder if it was a SSRI? When will we investigate the linkage and stop the drug induced rampages?

      37. anonymous
        Posted September 23, 2013 at 8:06 am | Permalink

        I don’t want to derail your conspiracy theory, EOS, but couldn’t it also be that he was on medication because he was mentally ill?

      38. EOS
        Posted September 23, 2013 at 8:46 am | Permalink

        “The apparency is that the person was mentally ill and went on a rage but when these cases have actually been looked at closer, what we find is that the person did not have any violent tendencies and in most cases was not even suicidal before they started treatment with their antidepressant medication.”

        http://beforeitsnews.com/health/2012/07/mass-murders-and-the-ssris-connection-2417899.html

      39. EOS
        Posted September 23, 2013 at 9:40 am | Permalink

        Look at the stories of the shooter in D.C. His friends are shocked he would do this sort of thing. Nice guy, quiet guy, into Buddhist meditation.. Goes to VA for PTSD, takes an anti-depressant, and becomes violent.

      40. Posted September 23, 2013 at 10:27 am | Permalink

        It makes total sense.

        I can’t believe no one has thought of it before.

      41. anonymous
        Posted September 23, 2013 at 10:30 am | Permalink

        At least he’s not arguing that there were no victims, only actors.

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