I’m inclined to say that this illustrates pretty clearly why it’s stupid for regular people, as they’re walking around town, to be carrying firearms, but maybe I’m missing something… At any rate, it’s just a good thing for us that an unarmed good samaritan was nearby, who was able to keep this handgun out of the hands of the would-be thief. It really would have really pissed me off, if this gun had been stolen, and then used to commit other crimes in our City.
note: According to AnnArbor.com, the assailant was wearing a hoddie. Too bad we don’t have a “stand your ground law” in Michigan yet. If we did, the man with the man with the holstered gun could have just shot him, saying that he feared for his life, and avoided the hassle.
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I know I should be mad at the criminal, who tried to steal this guy’s gun, but I find most of my wrath directed toward this little tough guy, who felt it necessary to bring a gun into this situation. My fucking kids catch the bus on Pearl Street. If you’re such a fucking coward that you can’t leave your house without a gun, then do us all a favor and stay home, hiding under your bed. Enough is e-fucking-nough.
Eel – I agree completely. Making guns ubiquitous makes us much less safe.
The thing is, you have to keep your gun out, in your hand, with your finger on the trigger, at all times. That’s what we need to evolve toward. Only then will we truly know the freedom of Libertarianism.
This happened–this notice is from the EMU Police.
Probably will turn out to be some anti-gun fanatic who thought it was his personal responsibility to disarm a law abiding citizen. The political left is becoming less tolerant every day. Lucky he didn’t get shot.
I’m curious- if he had successfully stolen the weapon, would it have become an armed robbery?
This is why carrying one gun is not enough! You need to have several guns with you at all times, so that you can strike back when someone takes one of your guns.
If everyone on Pearl Street were armed, this never would have happened.
I find it intriguing and ridiculous that people here are blaming the guy who got robbed.
I mean, it’s the equivalent of blaming a chick dressed like a slut walking out of the Vu for getting raped.
WTF is the matter with you people? I don’t like guns either, but a guy was attacked in an attempted robbery. and you are blaming him?
I don’t get your analogy, Dan. How is wearing an object around in public, that exists only to kill people, like wearing a short skirt? Here’s a better analogy for you. Let’s say a cowardly little man is walking down the road with a wheelbarrow full of hand grenades, attempting to demonstrate the fact that he’s reached a heightened state of virility, as evidenced by the fact that he could, if he wanted to, kill all of us, when another stupid guy comes along and takes one, with the intention of using it to do the same damned thing.
Short skirts don’t fucking kill people, you moron. And women don’t wear them to demonstrate their ability, should they want to do it, to take your life.
I hate fucking Michigan, with it’s helmet-less motorcycle riders and people carrying weapons.
I’ve heard through the grapevine that the guy is kind of a well known gun rights agitator, who looks for confrontation, with store owners, who don’t allow him to enter their stores with his gun, and police. I think it’s relevant that he was wearing his gun on his hip, strutting around town. Certainly he doesn’t deserve to be jumped, but he sounds like the kind of guy who was welcoming confrontation, looking for a chance to use his weapon. I don’t know him personally, but that’s the impression that I’m getting.
Mr. C.,
Unless a person has a CCW, they are required to carry the weapon prominently displayed. Why do you think an individual store owner can deny this individual his Constitutional First Amendment freedoms?
“Why do you think an individual store owner can deny this individual his Constitutional First Amendment freedoms?”
Get the fuck out of my store with that thing.
Denial of freedom? I think not. Telling a douchebag with visions of grandeur to get the hell away from me? Priceless.
Dan, the guy doesn’t appear to have been “robbed” in the traditional sense. It sounds like gun-douche was showing his wares and grabber-douche took the bait. You send out a message like that, expect it to get answered. Robbery victim, my ass.
I think that EOS meant the second amendment.
Yes. Thanks. I meant 2nd.
I suspect the victim must be white. black folks get blown away when they openly carry 2nd amendment or not (see history of Black Panther party)
This thug was wearing a HOODIE! Aren’t you people listening? The victim here would have been well within his rights if he’d shot him on sight.
Actually, gun control laws have historically been used to keep black folks from carrying weapons. That was the pressure that led many states to adopt shall issue laws as opposed to may issue laws.
I bought a guitar practice amp from a kid this winter off of craigslist. When I arrived the guy didn’t come down to meet me, just hollered to come on up, and when I got up there he was very weird and nervous…and had a freakin 9mm Glock in a holster on his back. I would be willing to bet money that this is the same guy. It happened just a couple blocks from where he lived… He was a scary dude, not cause he was intimidating, but because he was such a nervous and paranoid young kid. If I had known he was carrying I would never have dropped a dime in his pocket. I had already paid him when he bent over to unplug the amp and that’s when I saw it. I didn’t feel at all comfortable from that moment on. Oddly, a weird scary thought that popped in my head was that even though the guy was in descent shape, I thought the thought ( please for give me…Am from Texas ) ” I could have totally taken that from him when he bent over. He’s lucky I’m not some crazy ass that could have taken that from him and shot him with his own gun.” That’s a prime example of how this kind of incident can occur. I would Never consider actually doing that but damned if that thought didn’t pop into my head…
Alan,
It’s not my fault that you can’t understand analogies. You are acting like this guy deserved to get attacked because he was carrying a gun. It’s well within his rights to carry that gun, and just because you live in a fucking delusional fantasy world, the reality is that guns can be used to protect as much as they can be used to kill. The threat of gunfire is a healthy deterrent.
and like i said, I’m not someone that likes guns. But to sit here and act like a guy deserves to be assaulted and robbed because he looks and acts differently that you is sickening.
Peter,
By the logic of some of the others here, that guy that sold you the amp clearly deserved to be assaulted and robbed. You should have tried to take his gun and then steal his amp and anything else you felt like taking. He was obviously asking for it
smh
EOS, that’s right. Gun control laws that mandated that every able body white man be armed and ready at all times (South Carolina and Virgina both had these). And then there were the gun control laws the Germans had which required every Aryan male to be armed. When you have an oppressed population, it is important that the elite make sure their allies are heavily armed. Our criminalization of drugs has insured that large parts of the black male population are “gun controlled” out of the “right” to own and carry firearms. Armed white men roaming the streets have never been good for poor folks or people of color.
Dan, you don’t understand logic i don’t think. or false analogies. Alan schooled you.
nice contribution once again, kjc.
Gotta say, as much distaste as I have for people who only feel safe by showing off to all around them just how easily they could shoot you, and as stupid as it is to think that your gun could never be grabbed and used against you, there’s no doubt in my mind which person in this situation is the criminal.
The guy trying to rob someone of their gun, presumably to then rob that person (and others) of further things, is the criminal. Had he ended up shot in the struggle over the gun, I don’t think I’d be up in arms about it. The robber is the criminal. The other guy is just a schmuck.
thanks Dan. i hate when people muck up discussions with analogies that make no sense. i hate it even more when they don’t understand they’re doing it.
does someone really think the guy with the gun is a criminal? i thought his schmuckiness was the subject.
What part of the discussion where contributing to kjc?
please read the comments, if you want to participate.
Eel wrote:
“I know I should be mad at the criminal, who tried to steal this guy’s gun, but I find most of my wrath directed toward this little tough guy, who felt it necessary to bring a gun into this situation”
and joe responded with “Eel – I agree completely.” and then Brainless added “You send out a message like that, expect it to get answered. Robbery victim, my ass.”
and my analogy makes perfect sense. Just because someone is flaunting something you may not like, that doesnt mean they deserve to be assaulted.
now please, continue with your personal attacks and useless snide remarks.
” I could have totally taken that from him when he bent over. He’s lucky I’m not some crazy ass that could have taken that from him and shot him with his own gun.” That’s a prime example of how this kind of incident can occur. I would Never consider actually doing that but damned if that thought didn’t pop into my head…”
With thoughts like that I can understand why you Liberals are afraid of guns. Thats a disturbing thought you have, every think about why you would have those thoughts, or the fact that some day you might act on them?
Pistols in the sky:
the University of Michigan has applied for authorization to fly its own drone.
http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2012/04/20-2
“The more of us who are armed–the safer we will be.” The next time we hear somebody making this stupid claim, let’s remember this incident.
All True Americans know you don’t take your gun to town.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raXKeQ5qFwo
I just don’t get people that think they need guns for anything but killing for meat. I really think its a sign of weakness.
I like being in countries where guns are illegal and very hard to get.
That being said, leaving your gun on a counter where anybody (like kids) can get to it is just plain stupid.
Dan I’m adding pedantic to your list of offenses.
kjc,
useless is the only tag anyone needs for you.
I’m persuaded by your pro-weapon logic, and I’m going to start carrying a rocket launcher and a machine gun around with me from now on.
Why is it that all of these type of topics wind up in arguments and name-calling? Can’t we ever just have a civil conversation, whether we agree or not? I think that’s part of the problem with this country…no one wants to discuss, if it means we might have to admit that either we’re wrong or that the other person is right.
So was the victim Brachinald Achery?
I don’t believe so, Leda, but I am surprised to see that he hasn’t chimed in with an opinion on this.
and in related news….
“the only way to break down social norms against it is to carry firearms openly”
http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120423/OPINION03/204230335
There are some great deals on tanks. We should chip in.
http://www.tanksforsale.co.uk/Tanks_Trucks_Jeeps_for_sale_page.html
‘Constitutional Carry’ rally planned at Michigan’s Capitol for unrestricted right to carry guns
A group seeking the unfettered right to carry concealed guns without permits , anywhere they choose, is planning a gun-carrying rally outside the state Capitol.
The May 19 event is part of a push to have Michigan join a handful of other “constitutional carry” states where laws generally do not restrict how or where a gun is carried, nor is a concealed weapon license required. Vermont, Alaska, Arizona and Wyoming have similar laws.
The effort comes as Senate lawmakers are considering a bill that would streamline concealed licensing and allow permit holders with extra training to carry hidden handguns in schools, college classrooms, and other places they are now banned.
Organizers of the rally would like to take that a step further.
“We feel that the political climate is getting right for being able to recognize constitutional carry in Michigan,” said John Roshek, president of the Citizens League for Self Defense.
“The goal of the rally is to get Michigan to be the fifth constitutional carry state in the country.”
Speakers at the three-hour rally, which begins at noon, will include Larry Pratt, executive director of Gun Owners of America, which claims about 300,000 members nationally.
Roshek, 32, of Clinton Township, said organizers anticipate 300 to 400 people. Flyers promoting the event encourages attendees to openly carry their firearms in a display of support.
The largest gun-rights group based in the state, the Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, is among groups promoting the rally.
Petitions are also being circulated in hopes of attracting legislative interest.
“Wer’e in the beginning stages right now in that process,” Roshek said. “We have reached out to one or two lawmakers and basically the response we got is, “Let’s have the rally and see what you have in writing and go from there.’”
http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2012/05/post_13.html
You can now carry tasers in Michigan too! No word yet on hand grenades.
http://www.freep.com/article/20120509/NEWS06/205090366/Gov-Rick-Snyder-signs-law-to-let-gun-permit-holders-carry-Tasers-too?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|FRONTPAGE|s
what exactly is your objection to allowing people to carry tasers? I’d assume most people are in favor of it. A non-lethal deterrent sounds a whole lot better than carrying a gun, to me. Hell, I’d probably get a permit for one. What’s the problem, seriously?
@ Dan
“Non-lethal” is open to debate.
In fact, some would argue that, because many people consider them “non-lethal,” and therefore don’t take their use as seriously as a gun, that they are actually much more dangerous than many people believe.
Likewise, there seems to be an increasing trend of people dying as a result of tasers. As a result, many police forces are reconsidering their use. Cincinnati is just the latest example.
http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20120510/NEWS/305100072/Cincinnati-police-revising-Taser-policy-light-finding-they-can-cause-death
fair enough, but certainly less lethal than a gun.