Creationist indoctrination

Sometimes I like to post stuff here just because I want someone else to be as infuriated as I am… The following video, shot at Kentucky’s Creationism Museum, falls into that category. It was given to me today by a fellow named Chris Collins. He likened it to child abuse, and I can’t see anything in it that would make me disagree… Check it out and let me know what you think.

I know it’s wrong, and it makes me sick to see people lying to children, but, as much as I hate to say it, all I can think of when I watch footage like this is what an opportunity there is to be had down the road, in Irish Hills, Michigan, at the now abandoned Prehistoric Forest. Slap a fresh coat of paint on few of the musty, old, shag carpet and cement dinosaurs, put saddles on a couple of them, strap in some smiling human mannequins with fig leafs covering their naughty bits, paint a few Bible verses on the sidewalk, and you’re in business. Stupid people would stand in line to hand over their money.

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  1. Knox
    Posted April 29, 2010 at 5:59 am | Permalink

    I’m having a hard time following the logic. Is he saying that there were dinosaurs around at the time that the Bible was written, but that they were never mentioned once in the book, and that’s somehow equivalent to computers not being mentioned in the Bible?

  2. EOS
    Posted April 29, 2010 at 7:07 am | Permalink

    No, he said that dinosaurs were referred to in Job 40.

    15 Behold now the behemoth that I have made with you; he eats grass like cattle. 16 Behold now his strength is in his loins and his power is in the navel of his belly. 17 His tail hardens like a cedar; the sinews of his tendons are knit together. 18 His limbs are as strong as copper, his bones as a load of iron.

    This description accurately describes Sauropods. The term “dinosaur” did not exist at the time Job was written. That dinosaurs lived recently on earth is consistent with the scientific evidence of numerous samples of dinosaur bones that contain intact tissue and have not yet fossilized. Some dinosaur bones contained intact hemoglobin molecules and blood vessels. That dinosaurs lived recently on earth is consistent with the scientific evidence of carbon dating dinosaur bones that show repeatedly that the bones are less than 10,000 years old. That dinosaurs lived recently on earth is consistent with the archeological evidence of cave paintings depicting numerous types of dinosaurs.

  3. Stella M
    Posted April 29, 2010 at 7:51 am | Permalink

    It’s a fundementalist Sunday school. We didn’t think they’d be teaching Euclidian Geometry or Renaissance French Poetry did we?
    I’ve never been an Xtian but I’ve been to a lot of churches and surprise, this is what they do, teach what they believe. It’s their primary function. Why all shocked and outraged?
    Xtians who don’t believe in this particular kind of nonsense simply go to different churches, ones that teach something more in line with their own nonsense. Just as I tend to hang around with people who appreciate my own nonsense.

    Frankly I found the idea that only 54 million Americans don’t believe in evolution somewhat comforting. In a glass half full kind of way, that’s only about 17% of Americans. We’ve come quite a bit of a ways in the last century.
    But, that guy with what I assume to be a British accent, was at least clever enough to bring his nonsense over here where he might get some support for it. Britain seems to have gone from very religious to barely religious in just a few cohorts, maybe we should study the why of that, and then import it.

  4. Karl
    Posted April 29, 2010 at 8:19 am | Permalink

    I would love to see this guy – I believe his name is Ken Ham – sent back in time to live among the dinosaurs. I’d gladly contribute $10,000 toward making that happen, in case any witches are listening.

  5. Peter Larson
    Posted April 29, 2010 at 10:20 am | Permalink

    It’s easy to see why he runs this road side-show. It brings in a lot of money from gullible believers. He wouldn’t make nearly as much running Prehistoric Forest.

  6. Stella M
    Posted April 29, 2010 at 10:26 am | Permalink

    And just to be clear I really meant “an ipso facto fundamentalist Sunday School”. But all the stuff about nonsenses still applies. People congregate with people who like theirs.

  7. Peter Larson
    Posted April 29, 2010 at 10:45 am | Permalink

    Thank God I’m an atheist.

  8. Ted
    Posted April 29, 2010 at 1:51 pm | Permalink

    You crack me up, EOS. Thank you for being you.

    “his power is in the navel of his belly”

    Yes, if I was face to face with the dinosaur, I would choose to describe his navel, and not the rows of razor sharp teeth.

    Did Jesus ever ride a dinosaur? Surely there’s some obscure reference somewhere in the entire bible that you could misinterpret.

  9. notoneofthecoolkids
    Posted April 29, 2010 at 2:56 pm | Permalink

    It’s all gobbledegook to me!

  10. Mr. X
    Posted April 29, 2010 at 3:49 pm | Permalink

    A friend and I were just talking about this – how the point of debate keeps moving with stupid people, and how long and agonizing the process is. At one point, let’s remember, they wanted to kill scientists for suggesting that the earth wasn’t the center of the universe. The bottom line is this. It takes stupid people a long time to catch up.

  11. Dirtgrain
    Posted April 29, 2010 at 6:04 pm | Permalink

    If you write, “consistent with,” enough times, then it becomes true. Dude, show us the supporting research.

  12. Rand
    Posted April 30, 2010 at 7:29 am | Permalink

    I can’t help wondering how thankful these poor kids will be when they grow up and find that they have virtually no skills or understanding useful to them in making a life for themselves. The parents here may disagree with the mainstream concepts of reality, but that is where their children will be looking for work, and these idea’s are just not going to serve them. And you know, i wouldn’t really have a problem with their idea’s, if the facts were really there to back up some of their contentions, drawing different conclusions based upon factual information is the heart and soul of true discovery and innovation. The problem lies in their need to CREATE their own so called facts, and distort real findings so that they support these fairy tales. All i can say is that its quite amazing how many flavours bullshit comes in, and yes i do really feel sorry for these kids.

  13. EOS
    Posted April 30, 2010 at 7:48 am | Permalink

    Dinosaur bones found with soft tissue which included blood vessels and cells:
    Science, Vol. 307, pp. 1952-1955, March 25, 2005

  14. EOS
    Posted April 30, 2010 at 8:00 am | Permalink

    Want to see archeological pictures and carvings? Use this in your browser

    (Trying to avoid the delay for posting a link)

  15. Ted
    Posted April 30, 2010 at 8:08 am | Permalink

    My guess, without following your link, is that soft tissue remained, not because the dinosaur had just died, as I think you’re suggesting, but because it had been somehow preserved, either in ice or some kind of peat bog. It certainly doesn’t prove that the Fintstones was historically accurate.

    Go fly a ropen.

    (I was going to tell you to go jump in a lake, but this seemed more appropriate.)

  16. Peter Larson
    Posted April 30, 2010 at 8:12 am | Permalink

    The Science article does not in any way indicate that the bones were less than 6000 years old.

  17. EOS
    Posted April 30, 2010 at 9:44 am | Permalink

    There is no mechanism known to science that preserves soft tissue for more than a million years. Neither deep freezing nor peat bogs will work. The bones from the T. rex in the previous article were estimated by evolutionists to be 68 million years old. Here’s scientific information from another specimen of dinosaur soft tissue.


  18. Peter Larson
    Posted April 30, 2010 at 9:47 am | Permalink

    Why do you say that?

  19. EOS
    Posted April 30, 2010 at 9:49 am | Permalink

    Sauropods were vegetarians and didn’t have rows of sharp teeth. But they did have powerful limbs and a massive tail.

  20. EOS
    Posted April 30, 2010 at 9:50 am | Permalink


    Because that is what Molecular paleontologist Mary Schweitzer of North Carolina State University said in the article I referenced.

  21. Peter Larson
    Posted April 30, 2010 at 9:54 am | Permalink

    Could there be another explanation?

  22. EOS
    Posted April 30, 2010 at 10:01 am | Permalink

    Yes, that is why I started out saying that the “evidence is consistent with”. It doesn’t prove the age of dinosaurs. But it is inconsistent with the hypothesis that dinosaurs existed millions and millions of years ago, unless a new scientific discovery is made to provide a mechanism sufficient to allow for such a prolonged preservation of soft tissues under diverse conditions in multiple environments.

  23. Peter Larson
    Posted April 30, 2010 at 10:23 am | Permalink

    There are three possibilities:

    1. The science article is wrong.
    2. It is right and the claim that there is a mechanism to make it happen exists and is not yet understood.
    3. It is right and such a mechanism does not exist.

    But none of these scenarios indicate that the world is 6000 years old.

  24. Peter Larson
    Posted April 30, 2010 at 10:28 am | Permalink

    What the fuck am I doing?

  25. Fred
    Posted April 30, 2010 at 10:37 am | Permalink

    We appreciate your efforts, Mr. Peter Larson.

  26. kt
    Posted May 9, 2010 at 9:46 am | Permalink

    I heard that Ham and his people have bought some land in Detroit so they can create another museum. oh man oh man. I haven’t found any proof about this besides word of mouth but who knows.

  27. Posted May 9, 2010 at 12:01 pm | Permalink

    Maybe he’ll start a charter school in Detroit too.

  28. James Madison
    Posted May 9, 2010 at 4:11 pm | Permalink

    EOS is amazing — he knows everything about science and about God’s will as well. What a community treasure he must be!

    And yet EOS displays an utterly stupid level of argumentation, relying not on peer reviewed science publications when discussing science, but on obscure creationist writings. Of course, it must be true that God whispers in the ear of Edge of Sprawl, hence EOS has no need to argue science issues in a way that respects the methods of science or uses scientific evidence. Why rely on research when God is giving you the answers?

    Of course, most believers in God are more humble than EOS. He brings no credit to his religious beliefs by attempting to argue about science.

  29. Peter Larson
    Posted May 9, 2010 at 6:17 pm | Permalink

    Don’t worry, now we’ll get 50 posts from EOS stating how all of the misinterpreted scientific news articles constitute evidence that we are all fools.

  30. EOS
    Posted May 9, 2010 at 7:10 pm | Permalink

    Science is the academic journal of the American Association for the Advancement of Science and is considered one of the world’s most prestigious scientific journals. The peer-reviewed journal, first published in 1880 is circulated weekly and has a print subscriber base of around 130,000. Because institutional subscriptions and online access serve a larger audience, its estimated readership is one million people. Science’s impact factor for 2006 was 30.028 (as measured by Thomson ISI)

  31. Dirtgrain
    Posted May 9, 2010 at 8:16 pm | Permalink

    Dino Blood Redux: dismisses much of what has been claimed based on the article in “Science” that EOS cites.

  32. EOS
    Posted May 9, 2010 at 9:11 pm | Permalink


    Please reference a primary research paper in a peer reviewed science journal – not a personal web page. Or am I the only one held to such standards?

  33. Dirtgrain
    Posted May 10, 2010 at 9:08 am | Permalink

    EOS, you’ll first need to reference a peer-reviewed article in a science journal that makes the claim that “dinosaurs lived recently on earth.” You have not.

  34. EOS
    Posted March 28, 2011 at 5:17 am | Permalink

    A speaker from Answers in Genesis (the guys behind the Creation Museum) will speak tonight in Ann Arbor. Dr. Terry Mortenson has a PhD in the History of Geology from the University of Coventry in England. The lecture is free and open to the public. Hope you can all make it.

    7 p.m. Origin of Species: Was Darwin Right?

    8:15 p.m. Ape-men: the Grand Illusion

    St. Paul Lutheran School
    495 Earhart Rd.
    Ann Arbor, MI 48105

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