no candy for obama supporters

I thought, when the McCain campaign pulled out of Michigan, and we lost our “swing state” designation, that we would stop being relevant, at least through the election. Thanks to the efforts of one woman, however, Michigan is back in the national spotlight. On Halloween night, a Grosse Pointe Farms woman identified as Shirley Nagel made the local news for not giving candy to children that, when asked who they were supporting for President, responded, “Obama.” And, now, thanks to the internet, the video is everywhere.

Nagel is quoted on film saying, “No handouts for Obama supporters. No handouts for tricksters and liars.”

According to this young man on YouTube, Nagel is, or at least was, a 9th grade English teacher, until being arrested for stealing a VCR from the school at which she taught. “No handouts to tricksters” indeed. [I should state here that this fellow could, of course, be lying. In fact, I’m sure of it. She seems like a fine, upstanding woman who would never dream of, as he also notes in his video, faking an injury after being hit by a donut thrown across a lunchroom, and taking a month off from work to recover.]

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  1. nikki
    Posted November 3, 2008 at 9:16 am | Permalink

    what a dirty cunt. this just sets a bad example of all supporters out there for not just Mccain supporters, but the whole republican population. get some class lady, and stop being a damn hipocrite and practicing what your preaching. your fucked up. go find get some therapy too while you’re at it.

  2. Curt Waugh
    Posted November 3, 2008 at 11:24 am | Permalink

    this just sets a bad example of all supporters out there for not just Mccain supporters, but the whole republican population.

    B.S. This IS the republican population. They have the highest divorce rate, but they rail against divorce. They take most of the hand-outs, but they bitch about hand-outs. Their little evangelical kids have (unprotected) sex earlier, but they are offended by birth control and sex ed. They want “freedom” in the form of “states’ rights” so they can impose state control over other people’s bodies. Laughable.

  3. Robert
    Posted November 3, 2008 at 11:43 am | Permalink

    Yes, Curt, this has been what I’ve observed also. These people are motivated by their own personal weakness and guilt about it, compounded by their inability to deal with it in a healthy way. They turn it outward. This behavior is pathological, and it’s frighteningly widespread.

  4. Paw
    Posted November 3, 2008 at 12:39 pm | Permalink

    Can someone provide a map?

    I have eggs.

  5. Brackache
    Posted November 3, 2008 at 6:33 pm | Permalink

    There’s that guilt by association thing again. Rush Limbaugh uses that tactic a lot too. Works best in conjunction with strawmen, like Nagel and Todd.

    Oh how our culture loves irrationality.

  6. Brackache
    Posted November 3, 2008 at 6:56 pm | Permalink

    I keep posting stuff regardless of a lack of replies a lot, sorry.

    If you ever wonder why racism still exists in America, it’s because our culture de facto encourages us to judge people according to groups, not by individual merit. Liberals, Conservatives, Blacks, Whites, Arabs, Jews, Mormons (guilty), whatever.

    It’s illogical. Next time we’re tempted to judge people or a person by a group, we should name every specific individual we’re thinking of, rather than envision hazy make-believe people our imaginations have conjured up to justify the collective pre-judgement of folks we’ve never met.

    Prejudice according to guilt by association is lazy thinking.

    Free your mind, and your ass will follow.

  7. mark
    Posted November 3, 2008 at 7:27 pm | Permalink

    For what it’s worth, I agree with you. It’s generally unfair based on one person’s actions to make blanket statements about an entire group. I believe in some cases, however, you find someone like this woman who clearly exemplifies a personality type… paranoid, self-righteous, thinking that everyone else is out to pull a scam, when it’s she herself who his guilty of as much. It speaks to bigger problems we have in society, which I think that Curt expressed pretty eloquently. But, yeah, I admit that it sucks when it happens to your team. It’s like when people say, “Oh, you’re a vegetarian…. like Hitler?”

  8. Sonic Reducer
    Posted November 3, 2008 at 7:59 pm | Permalink

    I can’t judge all vegetarians. The only ones I know for sure are crazy are Hitler and Mark Maynard, who coincidentally also like to post their written thoughts to the public.

  9. Robert
    Posted November 3, 2008 at 8:41 pm | Permalink

    Apparently, Brackache has been ignoring the posts showing video of Republicans standing in line to get into McCain rallies.

  10. Carl
    Posted November 3, 2008 at 8:56 pm | Permalink

    Most Republicans are nothing like this. I’m sure there were several million who gave out candy regardless of the kids’ political preferences. It bothers me that so many people making comments have said that this is indicative of the whole party. The fanatics on both sides are just as bad, like the people egging the Republican offices here in LA.

  11. Chuck Alexander
    Posted November 3, 2008 at 9:10 pm | Permalink

    I applaud americans who put color aside and divert from partisian polictics. You have the guts to vote for the best man for the job. Obama…a mix heritage Blck father and white mother. He is the embodiment of of america. I am not voting for him because he is BLACK….he is the best man for the job.

  12. Keith Olberman
    Posted November 3, 2008 at 9:33 pm | Permalink

    Worst person in the world

  13. jean
    Posted November 3, 2008 at 10:23 pm | Permalink

    OMG I agree with Brackache. I find the pervasive reflexive dismissal of Republicans as morally bankrupt by liberals in the A2/Ypsi community at least as disturbing as the dogmatism on the other side. There are crazies on all sides. None of us should consider them representative. Don;t drink the kool-aid.

    Speaking from the A2 side, a few years back, we had to be bailed out of some pretty poor fiscal city management by Republican citizens with a head for business and some very valuable detachment. The more perspectives, the better the solutions.

    I have hope that Obama appears to be a leader willing to take the best problem-solving from all perspectives and synthesize them into a solution. A lot of his proposed policies look like a hybrid. I wonder if his core constituency here will be disappointed when troops (non-combat) are still in Iraq 5 years from now, when some people, by choice, are still without health care, when there is a place, however measured, for supply side thinking and free trade within his economic policies. I don’t agree with every policy he has, but they all make some sense to me…. and they are rarely the straight party line.

    I hope when this is all over, we can shed the self-righteousness and divisiveness and start solving some problems collectively.

    Of course, if Mc Cain wins, I’m going to Canada, children in tow, to request asylum….

  14. Robert
    Posted November 4, 2008 at 5:55 am | Permalink

    Maybe Carl or Backache can link us to a single video showing how there are Democrats who behave as we’ve seen Republicans behaving in several videos.

  15. Gerry
    Posted November 4, 2008 at 8:44 am | Permalink

    Someone please EGG her house next year. Talk about the wicked witch of the north!

  16. Paw
    Posted November 4, 2008 at 10:00 am | Permalink

    Good point, Robert. You might have a few people accusing the Republicans of being fascists, but you surely wouldn’t have the screaming of “terrorist” and “anti-American.”

  17. herbert walker douche
    Posted November 4, 2008 at 2:01 pm | Permalink

    What is wrong with people. Why did she asked if they were voting? They won’t be able to vote for quite awhile. She is a cold hearted bitch. She needs to find some class and be nice to her neighbors. Love thy neighbor.

  18. herbert walker douche
    Posted November 4, 2008 at 2:04 pm | Permalink

    Forgive my profuse typos in the last post!

    Love thy neighbor.
    Thou shalt not kill.
    Shirley Nagel is retarded and I feel sorry for her students.

  19. Brackache
    Posted November 4, 2008 at 2:06 pm | Permalink

    Perhaps you’ve missed my point entirely, Robert.

    If you visited some nazi website, they might challenge you to post a video of a bunch of white people rioting in America to offset their videos of black people rioting, which they use as a basis to judge everyone who is descended from some families of people in Africa as morally deficient.

    Do you still not get my point? Or do you want to revel in irrational prejudicial groupthink, so long as it’s against a group you don’t like?

  20. Robert
    Posted November 12, 2008 at 1:08 pm | Permalink

    Your Nazi analogy is a poor one, Brackache. But it is cute coming from a guy who hates Nazi comparisons and analogies in general.

    Your point isn’t hard to grasp. It is that the behavior of one rotten person doesn’t say anything about the whole group. I agree that’s true. However, the behavior of this woman is not so unusual. That was sort of the point of Mark’s post, or at least it was of my criticism of your criticism.

    Anyone can find one example of almost anything. That’s one thing. As many examples we’ve seen of Republicans behaving abhorrently is quite another. It got so bad that even McCain himself had to start dealing with it on a regular basis in his Q & A sessions.

    I know you prefer to gloss over a lot, Brackache, but there is no denying that much of the GOP base is way off the deep end. The examples are everywhere.

  21. quin
    Posted November 14, 2008 at 6:30 pm | Permalink

    shirley nagel is a racist bitch and proves that ignorance still exists in america if any black students are in her class I advise that their parents to take them out it’s obvious she will not be fair I feel sorry for her children because they are probably just as ignorant look who’s taught them their values as an adult.

  22. quin
    Posted November 14, 2008 at 6:34 pm | Permalink

    ah ha shirley nagel you lost bitch

  23. Brackache
    Posted November 15, 2008 at 11:25 am | Permalink

    My analogy here, Robert, is an apt comparison. I used your method of judging a group by the actions of individuals (even if it’s a lot of individuals, such as a lot of shitty Republicans or a lot of rioters in L.A.), and switched the people involved (both the judging people and the people being judged). The act of judging a group by individual actions (the judging which I’m condemning) stayed the same; only the people changed.

    My analogy is also a real argument used by real people (people who believe in Eugenics in general (which is inherantly based on judging a group by the actions of a lot of individuals), nazis specifically in this case so I didn’t have to explain Eugenics). I’ve gotten into this argument with people like that before.

    To simplify, I showed that the verb is wrong by switching the nouns to ones that might better drive home the immorality and irrationality of the argument to the present audience.

    When you made an analogy before to discredit my philosophy, you just drummed up your imaginary impression of flaws in the motives and lack of positive action of those who adhere to a libertarian philosophy, and made a little story with it, that illustrated only your own feelings and imagination, proved nothing, and wasn’t really that apt.

    Finally, I don’t know where you got the impression that I like to gloss things over a lot. I made plenty of enemies in the Republican primaries among my fellow Ron Paul supporters by being just as honest about the faults of Ron Paul and his campaign as I am about any other parties’ bullshit. I’ve even posted some of those criticisms here.

    If it helps, I’m well aware that a good number of Republicans have demonstrated irrational, prejudiced freak behavior in this past election cycle, as I’ve seen it myself plenty. I have the benefit of knowing from personal experience that not all Republicans are like that, so I’m able to be instantly unnaffected by a prejudicial reaction to a fellow Republican saying they wouldn’t vote for Obama because his middle name is Hussein (true story).

    Not to say that I’m unprejudiced. I am irrationally prejudiced against mormons and people with southern accents who call me “brother” and are eloquent. They freak me out and make me very suspicious — an irrational, emotional prejudice of mine that is often right on the money but still wrong, because it assumes someone is guilty of something before he or she has actually done anything wrong.

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