palin’s down syndrome baby

A lot’s been happening these past few days, since John McCain announced his decision on a running-mate. He, of course, chose first-term Alaskan Governor Sarah Palin, and the response has been mixed. As he’d only met with her once prior to the announcement, and as she had absolutely no foreign policy experience, some – myself included -were concerned. Others, however, were thrilled. You see, Palin has a lot of street cred among the fundamentalists on the Christian right. This, it seems, is primarily due not to her good works, but to the fact that, at age 44, she decided to continue the pregnancy of a child she knew would be born with Down syndrome. So, McCain’s announcement, in a weird way, made sense. By putting her on the ticket, he thought that he could not only appeal to the dejected and disillusioned women who had supported Hillary Clinton in the primary, but also to the fundies, who felt that McCain, in spite of embrace of pro-life politics, was still too socially liberal. And, McCain, for about 24 hours, felt pretty brilliant – like he had the world by the balls. He’d knocked Obama off the front page after his great showing at the DNC, shored up the evangelical vote, and driven a wedge into the Democratic base by offering up a token woman.

But then things started to unravel.

For one thing, he found that the Republican base didn’t necessarily want the PUMAs of Team Hillary to join the party… During her first speech after joining the McCain ticket, Palin was almost booed off stage for saying a few kind words about the former Democratic candidate.

And, then, there’s the thing about her fifth child – the one with Down symdrome. Word on the street is that it isn’t hers. Palin hadn’t been on the ticket a day before the gossip started. It seems that some folks think that the baby actually belongs to her now 17 year old daughter, Bristol. The candidate’s story, some are saying, just doesn’t hold up to scrutiny. Of particular interest to some folks is the fact that Palin claims that her water broke in Texas, but, instead of going to a hospital there, she traveled all the way back to her small town in Alaska before giving birth. Most folks don’t think that a mother, experiencing the premature birth of a baby already diagnosed with Down syndrome, would wait 17 hours, and travel through numerous cities with better hospital facilities, to a remote town in Alaska. Anyway, that, when added to the fact that she didn’t look pregnant when she should have, and tonight’s revelation that she will not release her medical records, has folks talking.

The allegations have forced Palin to come out with “proof” that the newborn baby in question couldn’t be that of her daughter. According to Palin, it couldn’t be Bristol’s, because she is “five months pregnant” at this very moment! (A terrific defense, I think.) Either way, Palin looks like a terrible failure as a “family values” mother, at least according to the rules set forward by the evangelical right, but one scenario would be career-ending, whereas she might be able to weather the other. It’s one thing to raise a daughter who fails to live by the “abstinence only” rules – it’s another to lie to the American people – posing as the mother of a disabled child that isn’t your own in order to move ahead politically and bring out the evangelical vote.

According to McCain’s camp, he knew about the daughter being pregnant, and it didn’t influence his decision to bring Palin on as his VP. I highly doubt it. The truth is, this completely blind-sided him… Maybe next time, he’ll meet with a person more than once before signing them up to be one heartbeat away from the Presidency.

My conspiracy-loving gut tells me that Bristol isn’t pregnant right now, and that her mother, as you read this, is encouraging her to have unprotected sex with multiple partners, hoping that, just maybe, she’ll get pregnant enough to pass a public pregnancy test by the end of the week, and allow this ruse to continue through the election. All they have to do is convince people for about 65 more days.

What a fucking mess for McCain. I’m sure he’d like nothing better than to take back the offer, but what’s done is done. If he forced her off at this point, it would acknowledge the enormity of his poor decision. The best he can hope for is that Palin will gracefully bow out to “spend time with her new, disabled child, and help her pregnant daughter through the trying times ahead.” Thankfully, the Republicans have a hurricane to hide behind at the moment. It’s given them an excuse not to have Bush take the podium at the Republican National Convention, and, according to the “New York Times,” now McCain may not even show… Yup. Things have gotten that bad for the Republican party. McCain may not even show to accept the nomination in person. As there’s no way in hell he’d come close to matching the 38-million viewer mark that Obama’s acceptance speech drew, I think it’s a good decision. It’s just hilarious that things have come to this… We live in fictional times, my friends.

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  1. ytown
    Posted September 1, 2008 at 11:19 pm | Permalink

    WOW, Mark, you are a genius! You liberals really know how to dig up dirt!

    Did you know that Obama’s son is actually John McCain’s?

  2. Posted September 1, 2008 at 11:36 pm | Permalink

    If you read my last comment about Obama urging people not to drag Palin’s family into things, you might want to edit this post Mark.

    We need to have more class than this, we need to rise above these kinds of personal attacks. Things happen, man, to everybody, including children born with disablities and teens getting pregnant. I have no idea about Palin’s situation and how she’s handling it, but politically it shouldn’t matter. I hope, for her sake, and her family’s sake, that everything works out – from one American to another. Now, her ability to be an effective VP and to prove that to people, that’s another issue.

    Let’s be more pro-Obama, and less anti-McCain.

  3. mark
    Posted September 1, 2008 at 11:56 pm | Permalink

    With all due respect, this is not a personal attack on her family. Palin is running on “family values.” She made that point abundantly clear in her first speeches after joining the ticket. The fact that her 17 year old daughter is preparing to have a child out of wedlock is pertinent, especially since, if she were to get into the White House, she would be pushing “abstinence only” education, like that which her daughter benefited from. And, if it turns out that the newborn isn’t hers, well, then it’s certainly fair game. It goes to character… But, more importantly, all of this is illustrative of McCain’s decision making ability. Do we want a President that would chose his possible successor after just one meeting? And without thoroughly vetting them? Is this the kind of man we want making decisions of national importance? I don’t think so.

  4. mark
    Posted September 1, 2008 at 11:57 pm | Permalink

    But, in general, I agree with you – pro-Obama is better than anti-McCain.

    And, as always, I value your opinion, CJ.

    …You, not so much, ytown.

  5. Mark H.
    Posted September 2, 2008 at 12:07 am | Permalink

    A prediction, and an observation. Prediction: Either Palin will be dropped from the GOP ticket, turning her into the Republican “Eagleton” and McCain into the Republican George McGovern, or, less damaging to the Repubican campaign, Sarah Palin will be converted into a Dan Qualye: Not an asset to the ticket, but not much of a liability. Observation: McCain has no idea how to run a winning campaign, given the currently pro-Obama tilt of the electoral college map, hence he gambled on Palin, an impulsive choice. The hope was to both activate the right wing base (which might work) and to attract Hillary voters (which is absurd, imho).

    All that said, things might still work out OK for McCain. The race card hasn’t been played yet by the Repubicans with the full Nixonian force than it could be. If they do, it’s unclear how it work — badly in New Mexico and New Hampshire, but maybe effectively in MI, OH, PA….

  6. ytown
    Posted September 2, 2008 at 12:14 am | Permalink

    Ytown is on the money again! Well said!

  7. mark
    Posted September 2, 2008 at 12:19 am | Permalink

    ytown, the next time you leave a comment agreeing with yourself, be sure to check first and make sure you entered a different name. As ti is, it just looks kind of sad and pathetic.

  8. Brian
    Posted September 2, 2008 at 12:21 am | Permalink

    Seriously, I’m dying here. This is some funny shit. This some Richard Mentor Johnson level craziness.

  9. Posted September 2, 2008 at 7:43 am | Permalink

    While I agree that slamming McCain 24/7 is unproductive, it is incredibly annoying that a group which does so much finger pointing at humanity is willing to suspend criticism when it is one of their own.

  10. Posted September 2, 2008 at 7:44 am | Permalink

    Trig is the son. Bristol is the one that’s pregnant. If Trig is pregnant, well that would be a miracle.

  11. rodneyn
    Posted September 2, 2008 at 8:01 am | Permalink

    Mark, this is ugly, and inaccurate. It must be hard for you, dealing with two honest and forthright candidates who are real people with real family issues that they don’t try to hide or obfuscate. I’ll bet that it’s frustrating to see Mr. Obama trying to play catch-up. Even worse, Mr. Obama’s having to wave his arms and say “me too me too!” as the Republicans toss out a night of prime time coverage in favor of blood drives and impromptu fundraising for hurricane victims.

    It’s OK – it will all be over soon.

  12. Robert
    Posted September 2, 2008 at 8:34 am | Permalink

    Hey Robert, tell us what YOU think. You’re always right on the money.

  13. Posted September 2, 2008 at 8:46 am | Permalink

    Read this response from Obama. He points out that his mom was 18 when she had him.

    I’m looking to Obama as a leader, and if he wants us to cut this out, then I think we should.

    Family values reflect not on what happens to them, but how the family responds. Palin may not be the best pick, but her family situation shouldn’t have anything to do with it.

    That being said, Mark, you know I still love you brother!

  14. Meta
    Posted September 2, 2008 at 8:51 am | Permalink

    From Michael Moore:

    Word comes tonight that McCain’s people lied about Palin being vetted — the FBI has admitted they did NOT vet her. So McCain has dispatched ten operatives and investigators to Alaska to find out if there’s anything else that’s about to hit the fan regarding his veep pick, a woman he had run into only once in his life and then called her on her cell phone two weeks ago at the Alaska State Fair. That was it before she made the short list and was selected. McCain’s radar — honed perhaps during his own self-admitted indiscretionary phase of his life — is telling him there’s more to the Palin story. You mean things like her support of the Alaska Secessionist Party or being one of the directors of recently-arrested Sen. Ted Stevens’ political action groups? Heck, I dunno. We shall see…

    But before everyone gets all smug and self-righteous about the Palin selection, remember where you live. You live in a nation of gun owners and hunters. You live in a country where one out of three girls get pregnant before they are 20. You live in a nation of C students. Knocking Bush for being a C student only endeared him to the nation of C students. Knock Palin for having kids, for having a kid who’s having a baby, for anything that is part of her normalness — a normalness that looks very familiar to so many millions of Americans — well, you do this at your own peril. Assuming she’s still on the ticket two weeks from now, she will be a much tougher opponent than anyone expects. You live in a country that voted for Dan Quayle.

  15. Dan
    Posted September 2, 2008 at 9:30 am | Permalink

    Yes, Robert, we’re waiting… What’s the REAL story? Was this narrative planned in advance? With what purpose in mind?

  16. Meta
    Posted September 2, 2008 at 10:00 am | Permalink

    Palin was brought on as a diversion:,1518,575747,00.html

  17. Citizen Blogger
    Posted September 2, 2008 at 10:08 am | Permalink

    Way to take the high road, mark, and heap abuse on Palin’s slutty, slutty daughter. I bet that’s just the way you’d want Clementine treated if you ever ran for office.

    I’m glad Obama is more respectful. “We don’t go after people’s families; we don’t get them involved in the politics. It’s not appropriate, and it’s not relevant.”

    Palin has plenty of relevant and appropriate things to attack – let’s stick to her secessionist past, her “drill here, drill now,” policies, her abuse of power with respect to the state police commissioner’s office, and the fact that she didn’t even have a passport in 2007, while Joe Biden (the Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and all) is comfortable flying off to Tbilisi at the drop of a Russian hat.

  18. Posted September 2, 2008 at 10:18 am | Permalink

    Whatever reason McCain, Inc. chose to pick Palin, it has worked. We have been successfully distracted from real issues that affect our country and have devolved into a GHW Bush “Family Values” debacle. This worked for him and it will work for McCain. The hard truth is that many voters have no idea what their government’s function is and feel relieved when they can have crap like Palin’s family problems on the headlines.

  19. Robert
    Posted September 2, 2008 at 10:29 am | Permalink

    As long as Mark’s lazy ass hasn’t been down at the Obama campaign headquarters (and I haven’t seen it there yet) he doesn’t represent the campaign. Right now he’s just the obnoxious muck-raker we’ve all come to know and love over the years. Once he actually volunteers some of his precious time to the campaign (sacrificing attention from his ever important ball shaving seminars) he’ll need to straighten out his shit and get on board with Obama’s message.

    Oh, and by the way, Citizen Blogger, you betcha Mark is gonna run for somethin’, and soon. I can promise that. I’m guessing it will be Washtenaw County Commissioner for starters. He’ll probably go for the state senate seat from there. Haven’t you noticed the way he’s been trying to reposition himself as a normal fucking person in some way. I’m not buying it, but I’m sure the rest of you saps will…hook, line and sinker. Then, I’LL be the guy blogging about all the dirty shit I’ve seen that prick do over the years. Actually, ytown will probably do all my research.

  20. Hillary
    Posted September 2, 2008 at 11:01 am | Permalink

    While I agree that the children of politicians should be left alone, having read the background information, I don’t believe that Trig is Sarah’s baby. I don’t want a person who would engage in that sort of cover-up to be our Vice President.

    Shame on anyone who judges Bristol for her situation. She’s just a kid, and the adults in her life are giving her terrible advice.

  21. designated republican
    Posted September 2, 2008 at 11:14 am | Permalink

    Keep up the good work! Rant, rant, rant. Great stuff.

  22. Robert
    Posted September 2, 2008 at 11:53 am | Permalink

    Designated republican, my stuff’s good though, right? You DO realize Palin is going to be president don’t you? And it’s for the same reasons Dubya was…because they’re 100% controllable. No inclination or capacity for independent thought. That means they can’t get in the way of the truly important business of government…stealing trillions.

    McCain was ‘advised’ (aka forced) to select Palin, much in the same way Reagan was pushed into taking Bush Senior in 1980. Now, you can expect a similar series of events to follow this ‘choice’ as did follow that one back 28 years ago.

  23. rodneyn
    Posted September 2, 2008 at 12:29 pm | Permalink

    Robert, what you wrote sounds a bit “grassy knoll”-like to me, it that your intention? Maybe I’m mistaken, by “a similar series of events…28 years ago” are you referring to Reagan’s landslide election, the nasty recession at the time Reagan took office, or to the assassination attempt that came later?

  24. Ian Curtis
    Posted September 2, 2008 at 1:05 pm | Permalink

    what do you call conservative parents that teach their children abstinence as the only method of birth control ….


  25. Posted September 2, 2008 at 1:53 pm | Permalink

    Robert: “As long as Mark’s lazy ass hasn’t been down at the Obama campaign headquarters (and I haven’t seen it there yet) he doesn’t represent the campaign…Once he actually volunteers some of his precious time to the campaign…he’ll need to straighten out his shit and get on board with Obama’s message.”

    Robert, I had no idea one had go down to Obama’s headquarters and officially volunteer time in order to represent his message.

  26. Robert
    Posted September 2, 2008 at 3:52 pm | Permalink

    Cousin Geoff, I kid Mark. Mark knows I’m a kidder. He’s a sweet guy, and I love him. He does more for the betterment of humanity in one afternoon than I’ll ever do in my life. That’s why I kid him…’cause he’s that much of a dweeb.

    Rodneyn, everything I say is grassy-knoll-like. You should hear me in bed. My girlfriend hates it. When things don’t go quite as planned, as they usually don’t, I immediately start claiming I’m a patsy. It’s ugly. But I kid. It’s all in good fun. We have fun here on don’t we? These are good times.

  27. Paw
    Posted September 2, 2008 at 4:17 pm | Permalink

    Yeah. When it’s time to “pull the trigger” another man steps out from the shadows to take over and make sure it’s done correctly. (He usually uses a guy named Frank Sturgis.)

  28. Posted September 2, 2008 at 4:42 pm | Permalink

    They are good times, Robert. And I enjoy your comments as much as as I enjoy reading this blog.

    I can feel the love! Ytown, we even love you.

    God bless Ypsilanti.

  29. applejack
    Posted September 2, 2008 at 5:03 pm | Permalink

    All I’m trying to do is come up with a clever Palin-drome pun. but palindromes are hard.

    i give up.

  30. egpenet
    Posted September 2, 2008 at 5:41 pm | Permalink


    Close as I can come, applejack.

  31. egpenet
    Posted September 2, 2008 at 5:42 pm | Permalink


    Close as I can come, applejack.

  32. Tamara
    Posted September 2, 2008 at 7:24 pm | Permalink

    Mark, I’m glad you’re finally coming to your senses. Bristol Palin is a filthy dirty whore who couldn’t keep her legs together. Do you really think Sarah Palin didn’t know that her daughter was being mounted for sex and allowing some disgusting man to shoot his sperm up inside of her!?! Of course she did. She’s no dummy. Just think of her poor 14 year old daughter. She’s going to look at her sister’s ripe belly and swollen breasts and think that it’s A-OK to “give herself” to every boy who comes sniffing around instead of saving herself for her husband. Either you are pro GOD or you are pro DEVIL. I have always felt that Republicans had GODly values. Now I just don’t think anyone has any real spiritual values. ALL OF YOU ARE HIPPOCRATES!!!! May GOD forgive you all!!

  33. ytown
    Posted September 2, 2008 at 8:19 pm | Permalink

    Easy, Tamara, easy! What are you a Quaker?

  34. mark
    Posted September 2, 2008 at 9:01 pm | Permalink


    For what it’s worth, I think very highly of people with so-called “family values.” At least, the ones that don’t make it a point to call attention to how morally upright they are. And, I love people that practice the kind of “turn the other cheek” “love thy neighbor” Christianity that I was brought up in. My issue is with this new breed of holier-than-thou “i’m saved so i’m better than you” asshole who believes it’s their responsibility not to lead by example, but to tell everyone else how they should live, act, etc. And, I get particularly pissed when folks like Palin, armed with their particular interpretation of the Bible, declare that Religion and Science cannot coexist. In this particular case, we know, for instance, that “abstinence only” education does not work, and yet people like Palin, keep suggesting that we pursue it in public schools. It’s nonsense, and, yes, I feel it’s my obligation to point it out when, as in this case, there’s an instance that makes it abundantly clear that she has no place making public policy.

    Did I say her daughter was a slut? No. Did I say she was evil? No. Read my post again. People have sex. It’s a natural thing. And God, as far as I know, is responsible for it. People just need to be responsible about it.

  35. mark
    Posted September 2, 2008 at 9:03 pm | Permalink

    And thanks for pointing out the fact that I’d gotten her daughter’s name wrong, Dude. I appreciate it.

  36. Tarama
    Posted September 2, 2008 at 9:45 pm | Permalink

    I see that you’ve started to fulfill your husbandly duties and have one beautiful daughter so far. I’m sure you will protect her innocence.

    I will pray for you Mark Maynard.

  37. EoS
    Posted September 2, 2008 at 10:24 pm | Permalink


    I was really surprised at your original post. It’s not consistent with what you’ve said recently and it is a vicious attack on a 17 year old girl who probably isn’t the least bit thrilled that her mother is in the media spotlight at such a time as this. Sarah Palin is displaying family values by loving and supporting her daughter. The problem isn’t that Sarah promotes abstinence, but that her teenage daughter failed to heed her good advice.

    You recently wrote, “If one of George Bush’s daughters gets pregnant at 15 by a pool boy, I’ll bet my house that she won’t have the baby, regardless of the Supreme Court justices her father may have been responsible for.” Now, less than two weeks after you made that comment, a pro-life political figure finds herself in exactly that scenario, and makes the decision that is consistent with her moral values.

    McCain is not about to push Palin off the ticket. She talks the talk and walks the walk. Pro-Life groups are ecstatic over her nomination. Working women are thrilled with her nomination. Independents are reconsidering the Republican ticket. Hillary supporters know that McCain is closer to her views than Obama. The announcement of Palin’s nomination kept Obama from getting the usual bump in the polls after the convention and has been the talk at the water coolers and picnics all week. Why? This woman was mayor of a city of 6000 residents just 3 years ago! Is this person the second most qualified individual to lead the free world?

    Problem is that we are facing huge problems in our nation and world and the media and blogs are focused on pregnant teenagers and where Obama sleeps and works out. Meanwhile, more banks close each week, more homeowners face foreclosure, more of our jobs go to India, China, and Mexico, and Russia is busy arming Iran and Syria with upgraded missles and moving its troops into position in Georgia. Israel is poised to destroy Iran’s nuclear facilities and Achmedinajad is salivating to start a World War to bring back the 12th Imam.

    Obama wants a national health care system like Medicare, which recently reported 30% fraud of our tax dollars. McCain’s advisors wanted Georgia to be included in NATO two years ago and he doesn’t care if American troops are still in Iraq in 100 years. Neither has the leadership capabilities to solve our problems and neither party has individuals of personal integrity who are being groomed to rise to leadership in the next ten years either.

    We as a nation are habituated to vote for the millionaire who has the slickest ads and the catchiest slogans. We keep looking for a fresh face and someone who promises change because 4 years inside the beltway corrupts almost everyone. And voters reelect incumbents more than 90% of the time? At what point will we stop attacking the other party and start demanding honest, responsible leaders who have clearly articulated, rational plans? How bad does it have to get before we are fed up with more of the same? When was the last time you had a chance to vote for a candidate who you really believed in rather than choosing the lesser of two evils and holding your breath that they might actually fulfill their campaign promises? Or is it more likely that you end up holding your nose and hanging your head that you actually were fooled into voting for someone who changed the agenda as soon as they gained office?

    It’s time to stop the mudslinging, ignore the polls and slick ads, and demand a real change.

  38. Bobbo
    Posted September 3, 2008 at 12:13 am | Permalink

    Fishy… very fishy. The astronomically unlikely incidents always start coming forth when lies are being told… just ask any kid caught with his hand in a cookie jar. “It was a gang of Pirates!! Honest!!!”. If this is a web of lies, the crap should start leaking out and the stink will be unmatched in the annals of American election politics. There is every likelihood the truth may never see the light of day in the media, possibly out of a sense of patriotism on the part of reporters and editors and a sense of immeasurable embarassment this would put on the world stage, and the perceived harm it would do to America’s already tattered image. This may come down to an editorial choice, one for the gipper, and they may simply back off and let things run their course, the best for all concerned, the greatest good for the greatest number, so to speak. There are already signs of significant pressure to lay off. The CBC, the government run broadcaster in Canada is not running any stories whatsoever concerning Palin or her situation. (Any Conservative cronies in positions of power there?) Comforting lies and image management are always the option for the Evangelical… this is after all not simply a mistake or misjudgement, but a glaring condemnation of an individual’s moral aptitude and something that comes with a reckoning in the final days and temporal condemnation/ostracism from your peers in the meantime. It is always astounding that they never figure out that the truth, as it stated in the Bible, and however unpleasant, is the only consideration in any situation.
    And there are personal and community ramifications that ripple out into world by not observing this.

    Hang on folks!

  39. mark
    Posted September 3, 2008 at 12:29 am | Permalink

    So much to respond to. Not sure where to start.

    Regardless of what happens in the Palin case, I do think that a Bush twin, if impregnated at 15 by a pool boy, as I’d suggested earlier, would have had an abortion. It’s admirable, I think, that Palin’s daughter, if she is pregnant, is planning to have the baby. Personally, I find the idea of abortion abhorrent, and I’d like to think that, if I were pregnant and single, I’d have the baby. But, the reality is I’ll never have to face that decision. I’m fortunate. And, for what it’s worth, I doubt that many women take the decision lightly. But that’s all beside the point. I brought it up here to illustrate not the failings of Palin’s daughter, but the failings of “abstinence only” education.

    And do tell me more about these “husbandly duties.” I love it when you talk dirty, Tamara…

  40. Andy
    Posted September 3, 2008 at 3:48 am | Permalink

    Boyfriend Levi said in a video on his myspace page that he didn’t want to have kids:

    EoS: “Hillary supporters know that McCain is closer to her views than Obama.”
    Huh? How do you figure?

  41. Andy
    Posted September 3, 2008 at 8:09 am | Permalink

    Mark, you might want to bring this to your front page:
    wherein Ms. Palin talks that kreepy kristian talk, most notably about the war in Iraq being part of God’s plan, plus something about Alaska being a “refuge” state or something (not exactly sure of the significance of that jargon– I only hope it’s related to some post-millenarian Rapture shit).

  42. Andy
    Posted September 3, 2008 at 8:14 am | Permalink

    Note that she is (or was) a member of this Assemblies of God church–Tom Monaghan’s tribe, no?

  43. Posted September 3, 2008 at 9:26 am | Permalink

    All 17 year old boys say they don’t want kids. They also say that condoms are a “bitch”.

  44. Posted September 3, 2008 at 9:27 am | Permalink

    But WHO CARES!??

    Palin reportedly called up the librarian in Wasilla and asked her how she would go about banning books. When the librarian balked, Palin tried to have her fired.

    I am frightened to have someone like that in the White House. Oh wait, we already do.

  45. not one of the cool kids
    Posted September 3, 2008 at 9:49 am | Permalink

    Ok this is all so creepy to me. Thank you Tamara about your comments about how Christianity is becoming a weird cult. How they all are about recruiting others and looking down on other religions.
    That said I have kept my mouth shut here about the abortion topic but I can’t anymore. I didn’t comment on the Saddleback blog – which became ALL about abortion but here I go –
    If life begins at conception then why aren’t miscarriages pulled out of toliets and given a name and a funeral? Don’t tell me that miscarriages are “God’s will” it makes no sense to me. Sorry, but women miscarriage every day…why no funerals??! If you answer me then please answer within the law, not by quoting YOUR bible.

    I want it law that every miscarriage is given a birth certificate, a name, a death notice and a funeral. I want all fertility treatments stopped forever. If it is God’s will you miscarry then it must be God’s plan law that couple that can’t have children aren’t suppose to have children. Go ahead lets make anything to do with conception illegal. Lets base a law on RELIGION. That is what all pro-lifers base their Pro-life stance on…the BIBLE. Because life begins at conception.
    I just can’t believe how simple and uneducated America is becoming.
    Ya, a shotgun wedding to some 18 year old idiot that won’t wear a condom really is the type of marriage I want for my loved one or friends. That truly is the Christian way, to force your daughter to marry. I feel like puking. Where are the educated Americans..oh ya it’s been 8 years of Bush…no child left behind…they want us DUMB…they don’t want us to be educated because their stupids ideas would be questioned a lot more. Along with the Bible and it’s role in our government.

    And Mark, sorry you can’t say you would have a child if you were a pregnant teenager. You are a man…you have no idea what it is like to be a flesh and blood women.

  46. Posted September 3, 2008 at 12:18 pm | Permalink

    I find your last sentence a bit insulting. While I am not female, I have a pretty good idea of what choices I would make given my upbringing and my personal love of children. Perhaps I wouldn’t marry the man I chose to have sex with, but I would likely keep the child.

  47. not one of the cool kids
    Posted September 3, 2008 at 12:26 pm | Permalink

    Biology is biology.
    Just like I have no idea what it is like to be any other person, male or female, you have even less of an idea of what it feels like to be a biological female.
    I have not idea what a male hard-on feels like. I never will.
    You have not idea what a period, carrying a child or giving birth feels like. You never will.
    Biology period.
    Why is that an insult?

  48. Posted September 3, 2008 at 12:38 pm | Permalink

    I’m pretty sure that even as a female, you are pretty certain that you would not date rape someone if you were male. This is a question of personal morals.
    I’m not comparing abortion to date rape, they are not related at all, but I hope you see my point. There are some things which transcend biology.

  49. Robert
    Posted September 3, 2008 at 2:06 pm | Permalink

    Well Cousin Geoff, that makes one of you. I’m glad someone is reading my comments, and I’m in shock that anyone would say they are actually enjoying them. You see, I’m pretty much here to destroy Mark’s blog. You can think of me as sort of The Joker to his Gotham City. I probably would have already been posting under the name “The Joker” already if I didn’t hate that comic book shit so much. I’m a grown-ass man!

    The worst thing about it is that I hate writing. I hated it in school and I hate it now. I’m a dumb guy. I’m not ashamed to say it. I am barely literate. I prefer talking. Running my mouth is my forte. I’m miserable here trying to translate my bullshitting into the typewritten word. It’s like torture to me.

    Anyway, you’re compliment was so kind, so now I feel like I should actually answer your question seriously… I think McCain is a nimrod if he actually tries to win this election now. He should seriously throw it, because there’s gonna be a lot of money behind Palin succeeding him as soon as possible. If he wins this thing*, he’d better immediately start checking his heart pills to make sure they don’t get switched to placebos.

    If I were him, I’d go rogue and start trying to hook up with every babe I encountered. I’d bang the hell out of that Palin, and get caught doing it, on purpose, in front of a bunch of cameras if I could. Don’t tell me that bimbo wouldn’t go for it either. I know you fuckers better than you know yourselves. Haven’t I proven that already? Ytown knows it. Shit, he’s afraid to even acknowledge me any more.

  50. rodneyn
    Posted September 3, 2008 at 2:15 pm | Permalink

    Andy: “Note that she is (or was) a member of this Assemblies of God church–Tom Monaghan’s tribe, no?”

    The last time I checked, Tom Monaghan (at least the Domino’s Pizza founder by that name) is a devout Roman Catholic. His faith is fairly public, what with his construction of an entire Florida town and university around a brand new Catholic Cathedral building.

  51. ex-WOG house, owner
    Posted September 3, 2008 at 7:09 pm | Permalink

    Andy is likely thinking of Word of God. A Catholic, charismatic, evangelistic, armageddonist cult that started in A2 and now has a (relatively) large enclave in Willow Run. Monaghan was, and may still be, a member. There was a schism (surprise) so it’s hard to know what’s what nowadays.

  52. Andy
    Posted September 3, 2008 at 7:48 pm | Permalink

    ex-WOG: “Andy is likely thinking of Word of God”
    Ach, yes, that’s what I was thinking. Sorry for any confusion. I knew he was some brand of “more Catholic than thou” Catholic.

  53. Andy
    Posted September 3, 2008 at 7:54 pm | Permalink

    Today’s fun Palin link:
    Palin Slashed Funding for Teen Moms

  54. rodneyn
    Posted September 3, 2008 at 8:56 pm | Permalink

    My favorite aspect of the Sarah Palin VP pick is to witness the complete unraveling of my liberal friends’ minds.

  55. Posted September 3, 2008 at 9:00 pm | Permalink

    Funny, Robert! Let’s clank our imaginary glasses and get ready for Palin’s speech.

  56. ytown
    Posted September 3, 2008 at 9:06 pm | Permalink

    “I know you fuckers better than you know yourselves.”

    Robert if this is true I’m screwed!

  57. Robert
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 5:35 pm | Permalink

    See, I told you I was dumb. I guess it was rodneyn that asked me about the grassy-knoll-like comment. For some reason I confused it with your question, Cousin Geoff. Yours was the one about my saying Mark has to volunteer before he represents the Obama campaign in any way. I sort of answered that one already. Anyway, you were so polite, apparently it inspired me to answer rodneyn’s question too.

    …and no, ytown, actually you shouldn’t sweat it. You’re a better guy than you think. I don’t believe for a second that you would personally approve of any of the shit the guys you idolize are doing. You are a far more decent person than that.

  58. thinkharder
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 8:48 pm | Permalink

    Or as we say, her grandson!
    A whore mom covering for her whore daughter, what a messed up family. America will not let a slutty whore to be VP. She does not have any reputable education, no experience at anything except sleeping her way to top in a tiny state. Compare to Hillary, Palin does not worth a penny. A slut is a slut, a whore is a whore, you just can’t change that.

  59. mark
    Posted December 29, 2008 at 8:57 pm | Permalink

    So, did Bristol Palin ever have that baby we were told she was pregnant with?

  60. Posted December 29, 2008 at 9:07 pm | Permalink

    Yes, she had it today.

  61. Posted December 29, 2008 at 9:08 pm | Permalink

    Sorry, forgot the link:,,20245389,00.html

  62. egpenet
    Posted December 30, 2008 at 6:45 pm | Permalink

    IMHO … Trek, Torg or T-Rex is not Sarah Palin’s baby … it is her daughter’s baby. And this second child was not full-term, but was taken one month+ early in order to diffuse arguments by folks like myself who count human gestation in terms of nine months. Robert should get into this story.

  63. jueseoos aoodd
    Posted June 16, 2010 at 2:48 pm | Permalink

    I love Sara America, and I cannot wait until I can vote for her retarded son.

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