bernie mac, barack and edwards

Commedian Bernie Mac died yesterday. I’ve yet to see any Republican blogs coming forward to speculate that he was bumped off for being a political liability to Obama, but I know it’s coming.

And, yeah, I’m pissed about the Edwards affair. I’m not mad that he had an affair. People do stupid shit in their own lives all the time. I’m mad about his incredible lack of judgment in thinking that it wouldn’t have come out if he’d won the primary. If we’d chosen him to be our candidate, as I’d wanted, the race would be over right now, and McCain would have won. It shows an incredible lack of judgment, and an incredible disregard for the American people… At least he was smart enough to time the confession so that it happened as the Olympics were launching, and as the Russians were going to war (over fuel) in Georgia… But, yeah, as someone who supported him, I’m pissed. And I’ll be doubly pissed if it turns out, as some are speculating, that my contributions to his campaign went to keep her quiet…. Asshole politicians and their dicks.

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  1. ytown
    Posted August 9, 2008 at 12:20 pm | Permalink

    Mark, You supported a Democratic candidate who wasn’t perfect? Say it isn’t so! I’m sure Obama is perfect though! There is no way his friends are known terrorists(Bill Ayers), or that his pastor is a racist(Rev. Jeremiah Wright), or that he has political ties to organized crime(Alexi Giannoulias)! I’m sure that the raise Michelle Obama received from the University of Chicago Hospital was just coincidence.

    These are all honest mistakes!

  2. mark
    Posted August 9, 2008 at 12:32 pm | Permalink

    Do a quick Google on McCain + Keeting Five, ytown. It’s interesting reading.

    Look. Everyone in politics associates with people they shouldn’t. It’s part of the job. They shake lots of hands and go to lots of functions. Somewhere, there’s a photo of Roselyn Carter and serial killer John Wayne Gacy. It doesn’t mean that she helped him rape and murder young men. There are, however, more significant associations that need to be looked at more closely, like the one between Bush and Jack Abramoff. There are dirty people in Washington who don’t give a fuck about our country or the people in it. They only care about money. And, say what you will about Barack and the sermons that he sat though, but I suspect that when you look at the really bad people out there, the ones selling our country down the river, more of them are in McCain’s speed-dial that Obama’s. Shaking hands with Bill Ayers at a cocktail party, in my book, isn’t nearly as dangerous.

  3. mark
    Posted August 9, 2008 at 12:34 pm | Permalink

    And I’d like to thank you for setting up camp here, ytown. Things are always a lot more fun when we get an nasty old troll gets in the mix… Welcome!

  4. mark
    Posted August 9, 2008 at 12:36 pm | Permalink

    And, if you really read my post, which I know goes against the Troll Code, you would have seen that I’m not pissed with Edwards for his cheating, as you say in your comment, but in his lack of judgement – thinking that this wouldn’t come out if he’d won the primary. I’ve come to terms with the fact that everyone in politics is flawed. That doesn’t mean they have to be stupid, though.

  5. ytown
    Posted August 9, 2008 at 12:49 pm | Permalink

    Wow, you and Curt really like calling me a troll. What a large and impressive vocabulary you two have! Do you share a brain as well?

    The Keating 5 was a cluster fk. No doubt. So many politicians today enjoy their power more than serving their constituents. Just look at the news.
    I never said McCain was my ideal candidate, just the best for my beliefs. Unlike Curt Waugh, I will vote! It is our obligation as Americans!

    Mark, just because I don’t agree with you politics doesn’t mean I am old or a troll. Here’s a little background: I am 38, married with two kids. Went to YHS and UofM. I live in the college heights neighborhood. I do like good beer and probably had a pint next to you at the Corner. We are not so different.

    I have found that people who do not have a strong argument resort to name-calling and insults. Take it easy man. When you post your feelings and beliefs on a blog for the world to see, be prepared for people to disagree.

  6. ytown
    Posted August 9, 2008 at 12:49 pm | Permalink

    “Troll Code” , good one!

  7. Robert
    Posted August 9, 2008 at 1:00 pm | Permalink

    I feel much the same way you do Mark. I’m really pissed at Edwards for thinking he should be the nominee when he knew he had that ‘Aechilies heel’ just waiting to be exposed and exploited.

    It’s making a bunch of other stuff that I saw in Iowa make more sense now. For example, I don’t remember if I mentioned it on this blog but the staff team which traveled with Senator Edwards around the clock was all male. That was very unusual. Of every campaign I’ve ever been a part of or even seen, that has never been the case. It knew it had to be deliberate on his part. I got the sense at the time that it was possibly to avoid the look of any impropriety or maybe done as a display of devotion to Elizabeth somehow. I guess in a way it was, but more in terms of an apologetic gesture toward her.

    It’s hard for me to express all the messed up emotion I’m feeling about this thing. I met Elizabeth a few times, in 2004, and in 2007, and got the strong sense that she was the true source of so much of her husband’s confidence, strength, and good sense. For him to betray her this way is like stabbing himself in the heart. It’s so self destructive.

    A few days ago I was going to post a rant here about how I felt the unrelenting pursuit of Edwards by the National Enquirer was a action being pushed by interests who can’t afford to see him in the Attorney General’s office. I still feel, maybe even more so, that this is the case. I think Edwards may have come out with it realizing their pursuit of him was to sink his AG prospects. He may be hoping to get as much of the situation ‘aired out’ before cabinet choices are made in December.

  8. mark
    Posted August 9, 2008 at 1:25 pm | Permalink

    Interesting, Robert. When I met with Edwards (October 10, 2005), I was struck by how many beautiful women he traveled with. Seriously, there were no men – just tons of really stunning women. That was before they’d ‘officially’ started the campaign though. He was in Ann Arbor talking about his work relative to poverty. I guess at some point he chose to let the women go.

  9. mark
    Posted August 9, 2008 at 1:26 pm | Permalink

    And, ytown, I’m sure you’re a nice enough fellow. I just have a problem with people who 1) don’t read the posts before commenting, and 2) don’t engage in constructive debate.

  10. Posted August 9, 2008 at 5:24 pm | Permalink

    Sad about Bernie Mac. Totally unexpected, I liked him as a comic and I his show was one of the few sitcoms I liked.

    Edwards, I just have to shake my head. Too bad…

    Ytown, let’s drink a beer sometime.

  11. Ol' E Cross
    Posted August 9, 2008 at 10:09 pm | Permalink

    Not all Robbins NC boys are cheaters, I promise, but my uncle (who dated Edwards sister) turned out to be one as well.

    I heard the news this morning at a Burger King in St. Ignace.

    I’m feeling ill and it’s not just the tater tots. Care less about what he could’ve done to the party than what he did to his cancerous wife and kids. Stupid fuck. Same as my uncle.

  12. Posted August 9, 2008 at 10:39 pm | Permalink

    Geoff, I’ll drink a beer with you anytime.

  13. Kate
    Posted August 10, 2008 at 2:44 pm | Permalink

    Would someone kindly look up Carol McCain, first wife of John? The one he betrayed and cheated on when he started his affair with Cindy, who is now his second wife. McCain and Edwards have this in common and it burns me that McCain is apparently going to get away with talk of his high moral ground. He only has good morals when it’s expedient to have them.

    Ytown, I sincerely doubt McCain truly shares your beliefs. He will say anything he thinks will gain him advantage – there is no other way of explaining the ads his campaign is currently putting out about Obama. He knows they are lies, yet lets them continue. What does THAT say about his ethics?

    I write as a disillusioned former McCain backer. I voted for him in the 2000 Michigan primary. His actions since, however, caused me to do some further digging into his past and now I believe he’s a real snake. Seriously, go check out his past actions in his personal life and in his public decisions. They don’t hold up to hard scrutiny.

  14. Robert
    Posted August 10, 2008 at 4:31 pm | Permalink

    Ytown, are we supposed to believe you are suddenly concerned about nepotism, terrorist connections, racist associates, or ties to organized crime? It’s laughable. Do you see how absolutely absurd it is for you to pretend to be concerned about such things at this point?

    I do think you strike a chord though when you mock the way many Obama supporters seem to see no faults in him, and I tend to agree with you that Obama’s chances of winning are not nearly as good as most people are suggesting they are. I predict that Obama will lose Michigan, or come darn close to it.

  15. Posted August 10, 2008 at 4:59 pm | Permalink

    Robert, I don’t care if you believe my concern for these matters. I know where your loyalties lie. I know I am not going to change peoples opinion. I just hope it gives people something to think about. Just as I have reconsidered some of my feelings on certain issues.

  16. Robert
    Posted August 10, 2008 at 5:30 pm | Permalink

    OK, let me put it another way, ytown. You’re a liar. You are lying when you say things which suggest you give a shit about nepotism, terrorist connections, racist associates, or ties to organized crime. The proof is so obvious and out there nobody could possibly miss it. I’m not trying to change anybody’s opinion either. I’m just calling it as I see it. It’s that simple. You’re a phony.

    Yeah, and it’s nice that you’re reconsidering some of your feelings. That’s very sweet, and only about 7 years too late. Your long learning curve has only cost us a few trillion dollars of taxpayers money, a stable economy, thousands of US troops’ lives, the limbs of tens of thousands more, hundreds of thousands of civilian lives, significant chunks of our constitution and rights, our moral standing in the world, open accountable government, our system of checks and balances, the integrity of our elections, considerable degradation to environmental quality, $1.52 per gallon gas, the effective functioning of federal emergency agencies, our sense of national unity after 911, separation of church and state…and the list goes on and on. Those things are severely damaged or lost, some forever. But don’t sweat it. Everybody learns at their own pace I guess. It’s just a shame that the rest of us have to suffer the consequences of your learning disorder.

  17. Posted August 10, 2008 at 6:15 pm | Permalink

    Robert are you delirious? Why are you so upset? CHill out man. Let’s pretend I am a liar, ignore me. You can’t because you know I am right and it makes you mad. I enjoy riling up you libs. You just can’t seem to accept that people have a different view point.

    By the way I never said I support the war in Iraq, that I was against the environment, that I like killing civilians, that our troops should die needlessly or anything else you ramble about. For the record, I DO NOT support the war in Iraq, but I DO support the war in Afghanistan. Clear enough? I support cheap gas, even though I own a Prius. I support offshore drilling AND alternate forms of energy with the ultimate goal of energy independence. Yes, I do support national unity, it’s called patriotism. What our Constitution also gives us is free speech, something you libs love to hide behind when it’s convenient. However, when you disagree that right semms to disappear. Also, it continues to amaze me how often the readers on this site resort to name-calling! Have a discussion without taking everything personal.

  18. Robert
    Posted August 10, 2008 at 8:01 pm | Permalink

    Delirious or not, am I right? Who says I’m upset? You get that from typed text? That’s odd, because I’m actually happy. I’ve found someone who will fight with me. The site regulars can tell you that is all I’m ever looking for anyway. That’s why none of them will talk to me.

    How could anyone NOT be certain that you are a liar when you suggest you are concerned about nepotism, terrorist connections, racist associates, or ties to organized crime? Could the contradiction be any more obvious? The only way you could be telling the truth is if you just very recently and suddenly had some sort of catharsis. You still haven’t even mentioned the slightest bit of concern you might have over the massive nepotism, terrorist connections, racist associations, and ties to organized crime this current administration has. If you were actually concerned about such things and committed to the principles that would imply, it would show in the way you talk about everything, not just those few things or people you wish to attack. You’re extremely narrow and selective “concern” reveals its utter insincerity. Is that argument not simple and straightforward enough? What about it doesn’t make sense to you?

    Your comments are filled with so many inaccuracies. I can’t even address them all at any reasonable length. There are just too many. It’s like a way of life for you, which would explain your value decisions.

    Here are just a few examples…

    Your false statement: “I enjoy riling up you libs.”
    The facts: My political positions would classify my as a conservative on most issues. I’m certainly no Prius driving liberal.

    Your false statement: “You just can’t seem to accept that people have a different view point.”
    The facts: I haven’t seen anyone on this site yet who I agree with most of the time. I don’t have problems with different points of view at all. I welcome them. What I DO dislike are people who can’t think logically, no matter what their supposed political leanings. Ask any of the lefties on this site. It’s clear that you’re uncomfortable with exposure, so you label all your critics “libs” I guess.

    By supporting the Bush Administration you support the war in Iraq, and environmental deregulation. If you’re not familiar with the policies of the people you support, you’re an incredible idiot. Saying you’re against something and then supporting the people and interests that do that very thing is called hypocrisy and is another demonstration of the fact that you are ONLY about rhetoric.

    All these disasters which I “ramble” about may not hold your attention, but many of the rest of us don’t have your ADD.

    Yeah, you’re a real patriot. Am I to assume you’re a patriot by the definition our esteemed president defines it in his life? DO you get all excited when he says stuff like “Bring It On!” ’cause that may be a little different definition than the founding fathers had in mind.

    Yes, “our Constitution also gives us is free speech,” and are you currently in a designated zone? Thanks to you and your kind for that too.

    Did I somehow give you the impression I didn’t want you to continue with your “free speech?” I’m pretty sure everyone else here can tell I’m not only ok with it, but I’m doing my diarist to provoke it. Just one more contradiction between your words and what is obviously going on.

  19. Posted August 10, 2008 at 8:58 pm | Permalink

    What is it about Edwards that makes him think that the rules don’t apply to his conduct?

    I felt downright betrayed by Edwards for all the support he’s been given, including my own, much of it a result of my former opinion that he shared my/our values. Obviously, I’ve now learned that he most certainly does not.

    Whether it be Michigan Attorney General Mike Cox, former NY Governor Elliott Spitzer or former two-time (yes, that’s a pun) presidential candidate John Edwards, these jackasses may have convinced their families to stick with them, but I can’t figure out why anyone else would have much interest in standing behind them. Being experienced and successful at deceiving those who are closest just isn’t an attribute I find appealing in anyone, much less a presidential candidate.

  20. He's Not Really on Vacation
    Posted August 10, 2008 at 9:04 pm | Permalink

    Obama strikes again!

  21. Posted August 10, 2008 at 9:04 pm | Permalink

    You right Robert! My mistake. You win! Go Obama!

  22. Posted August 10, 2008 at 9:07 pm | Permalink

    ytown and Robert:

    Why not act like the adults that you are and continue trading insults via private email. Though I can only speak for myself, I imagine that nobody is interested, and that nobody cares, probably because it’s kind of hard to take anything seriously when the level of discourse hangs down near that of a 12-year-old.

    And of course, my sincere apologies to any 12-year-olds I may have offended with the prior sentence.

  23. Meta
    Posted August 11, 2008 at 9:38 am | Permalink

    The National Enquirer explains how Edwards was trapped after months of being hunted:

    Edwards went out of the hotel briefly with Rielle, they were observed by the NATIONAL ENQUIRER and then went back to her room, where he stayed until attempting to sneak out of the hotel unseen at 2:40 a.m. (PST). But when he emerged alone from an elevator into the hotel basement he was greeted by several reporters from the NATIONAL ENQUIRER.

    Senior NATIONAL ENQUIRER Reporter Alexander Hitchen asked Edwards why he was visiting Rielle and whether he was ready to confirm that he was the father of her baby.

    Shocked to see a reporter, and without saying anything, Edwards ran up the stairs leading from the hotel basement to the lobby. But, spotting a photographer, he doubled back into the basement. As he emerged from the stairwell, reporter Butterfield questioned him about his hookup with Rielle.

    Edwards did not answer and then ran into a nearby restroom. He stayed inside for about 15 minutes, refusing to answer questions from the NATIONAL ENQUIRER about what he was doing in the hotel. A group of hotel security men eventually escorted him from the men’s room, while preventing the NATIONAL ENQUIRER reporters from following him out of the hotel.

    Said reporter Hitchen: “After we confronted him about seeing Rielle, Edwards looked like a deer caught in headlights!

  24. Robert
    Posted August 11, 2008 at 1:23 pm | Permalink

    Hating hater (formerly known as trusty getto), I feel where you’re coming from in regard to Edwards. It’s hard to describe the deep personal disappointment I feel toward him.

    I will say, his attempt to explain why he did it was the most sincere I’ve ever seen. Of course it did not change one bit my feeling that he betrayed Elizabeth and that he gambled recklessly with the fate of his party’s chances to win this November. I’m very pissed about that. But I have to say again, watching Edwards now seems to fill in some details that puzzled me ever since I first got involved with his campaign.

    I know it will would sound strange to everyone here, because you don’t know me and only have my obnoxious comments on this site to judge my sanity and credibility. But I will tell you I got the distinct impression from Edwards that he was motivated to run out of a sense of guilt and a sort of fatalism. I assumed at the time that I was somehow misreading what I was seeing and that it was all somehow related to his pain regarding Elizabeth’s grim diagnosis. Others in the campaign must have sensed the same things because I am also now making sense of some of the unusual things I saw some of them do and say. It was weird.

    I know I’m being vague. There’s a lot more to it, and I am not sure if it makes any sense to talk about it here. In fact, I’m pretty sure nobody gives a shit, so I’ll go back to fighting with ytown…if he’ll have me.

  25. Ty
    Posted August 11, 2008 at 3:44 pm | Permalink

    I give a shit. Spill the beans, Robert.

  26. Robert
    Posted August 11, 2008 at 4:15 pm | Permalink

    I think it’s better to save it for the Corner Brewery meeting. When is that going down?

  27. Posted August 11, 2008 at 6:18 pm | Permalink

    I stand corrected. There are three of you.


  28. Posted August 11, 2008 at 6:31 pm | Permalink

    Who cares? Only in a stupid country like America does it even matter what a guy does with his penis. It’s a private matter. I really don’t care as long as he can do that job. Lord knows, you’re average politician makes more bad moral choices than marital problems.

    We, as outsiders, may be convinced that he betrayed his wife, but in the end, we know absolutely 0 about what’s going inside that marriage. It’s none of our fucking business.

  29. mark
    Posted August 11, 2008 at 7:22 pm | Permalink

    If you had taken the time to read the post, you’d realize, Dude, that I don’t care who he fucks. What pisses me off is that it showed an incredible lack of intellect in running for President when he knew damned well that it could come out. This election is too important. And it pissed me off that he’d take a chance like that.

    And I love the image of him hiding in a bathroom stall, too scared to come out and face the National Enquirer. I hope, had he become President, he would have shown more courage when faced with national security issues.

  30. Posted August 12, 2008 at 7:21 am | Permalink

    I was actually responding to other comments, not your original post. I agree with you that he should have known better than to run, or been more forthcoming early on, given the childishness of the American public.

  31. Robert
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 11:26 am | Permalink

    I think I know the secret of why he ran now, and I’ll share it with the first person who buys me a fucking beer at Corner Brewery.

  32. heronblue
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 8:54 pm | Permalink

    I guess what scared me about his “confession” was his saying several times that his narcissism and having all that power is what did him in… you know that “star” power thats been touted about… where you start to believe that its all about you and that you’re above the rest, rather than that you’ve been saying things, and making promises and that people are entrusting you with their lives and futures because they BELIEVE YOU WILL KEEP YOUR PROMISES.

    If just being a candidate is so ‘heady’ that one loses perspective, i hate to see what the presidency would do to him. And, I’m sorry, but in my book, character is about making tough decisions and living up to promises, and living up to what you lead people to believe you will do for them. So, its a real big fat disappointment.

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