“read my neck, no new taps”

[Thanks to Melissa for adding the empty beer bottles.]

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  1. mark
    Posted June 18, 2008 at 9:05 pm | Permalink

    I don’t know if it bothers anyone else, but his neck really bothers me in this photo… hence all the references.

  2. Brackache
    Posted June 18, 2008 at 11:19 pm | Permalink

    His cheeks and neck are really fucked up looking. Even if he agreed with me on stuff, I’d wince when I saw him.

    I have an ignorant rum-induced question for the progressives: what’s the difference between McCain’s actual policies (ignoring his lying pandering to small gummint types) and those of a more retro, pre-“hippy” Democrat’s?

    I mean, as a libertarian republican and former neocon sap, I don’t get why big gummint fans hate neocons so much. They’re all for big government and foreign/domestic interventionism just like the Democrats. What’s the beef? Is it all just prejudice against the different target audiences?

  3. mark
    Posted June 18, 2008 at 11:27 pm | Permalink

    I don’t know where you’ve been Brackache, but the Democratic party is the party of fiscal responsibility. And, last time I checked, we weren’t calling for preemptive wars. Peace keeping missions, maybe.

  4. Brackache
    Posted June 19, 2008 at 12:01 am | Permalink

    I’ve been in OEC’s backyard, talking with him about stuff.

    Seems to me, it’s all “making the world safe for democracy” by killing ferinners who don’t threaten us, Wilson style. Acting like the rest of the world is the 51st State, and political boundaries are meaningless.

    Yer gonna have to walk me through that fiscal responsibility claim. I’m intrigued.

  5. Ol' E Cross
    Posted June 19, 2008 at 12:43 am | Permalink

    Speaking for myself, true, I do like a wide variety of taxes and personally equate them with fiscal responsibility.

    And, true, BA and OEC talk much in backyards. Holding hands. Mopping each others tears with our long furls of hair.

    But, my memory fails me greatly on killing ferinners and making a world safe democracy. Are you talking about the war in Iraq or are you extrapolating something beyond my recognition?

    Nice to meet you Intrigued. I’m Baffled. Let’s be friends.

  6. Ol' E Cross
    Posted June 19, 2008 at 12:46 am | Permalink

    And all I’d really hoped to say, was I’d seen that neck before.

  7. CKL
    Posted June 19, 2008 at 7:32 am | Permalink

    Well, from what I understand, he’s had some kind of facial cancer. He’s not a young man, either.

  8. Brackache
    Posted June 19, 2008 at 3:16 pm | Permalink

    OEC: it’s not like we’ve had a portrait taken together or something, you’re creeping me out here.

    I was just voicing my own opinion that “police” (via military)actions that are undeclared and interventionist against countries that don’t threaten us are just as evil as preemptive undeclared war against counties that don’t threaten us. Now that I think about it, they’re essentially the same thing with different names, and maybe a gulf of tonkin incident thrown in. I’m including Korea, Vietnam, Kosovo, Somalia, Iraq even before Dubya (sanctions are an act of war — it’s just a siege on a bigger scale), and whatever violent military meddling (without a congressional declaration of war) in other people’s countries Obama or McCain would get us into. Most of these types of military interventions are done on the pretext of making the world safe for democracy or some varient — Wilson’s old line.

    The fiscal thing… well, McCain’s a big-spender “republican,” I guess the difference is he’d rather it be paid for by the Fed printing more money and borrowing dough from China than by taxation, but it all amounts to the same thing. Taxation’s just a misdirection if you don’t talk about the other two.

    But that was an interjection on my part.

    My original purpose was to determine why you’z guys hate McCain. I know why I do, and it’s because he’s not conservative and he compromises with liberals. So you can imagine my curiosity. If it’s just that he looks funny, and tells conservatives lies so they’ll vote for him, then maybe you shouldn’t worry so much about him getting elected. I hope you’re now unbaffled enough to enlighten me.

  9. Ol' E Cross
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 3:28 pm | Permalink

    I don’t especially hate McCain. I feel the same way about him I did about Clinton with their ties to special interests and corporate backers and a political ambition seems to drive them more than vision. Neither are the type folks I could vote for. There’s more, but that’s root of it.

    I can appreciate, that as a small gov. anti-interventionists you’re left with no real option. But, if you’re going to intervene, how and when you do it does make a world of difference.

  10. Brackache
    Posted June 20, 2008 at 6:47 pm | Permalink

    Thank you, I appreciate that. If other specific policy differences besides potata-potato interventionism and how to fund massive spending come to mind, I’d be interested to hear them. I assure you, I am only being 10% snarky or less, and really am more interested in understanding your differences with him than in trapping or provoking you. For instance, I assume there are differences on environmental policy that are very important to progressives?

  11. Andy
    Posted June 22, 2008 at 3:55 am | Permalink

    Brackache: “If other specific policy differences besides potata-potato interventionism and how to fund massive spending come to mind, I’d be interested to hear them.”
    He favors: increasing the military, retaining tax cuts for the rich, cozying up to the Religious Right (Falwell, abortion, ID, gay marriage), staying in Iraq and invading Iran. Lotta flip-fops, including torture, of all things for a former POW. As for the environmement, the League of Conservation Voters scored him a big fat zero (he didn’t vote at all on their 15 most critical measures):
    http://www.thedailygreen.com/environmental-news/latest/mccain-47022108
    Plus he’s just too old.

  12. Brackache
    Posted June 22, 2008 at 10:17 am | Permalink

    Thanks Andy, now I know. And knowing is half the battle.

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