condi scheme

I mentioned it a few days ago in passing, but more documents have recently come to light which show not only that Condoleeza Rice lied under oath when she said that she wasn’t told of an al Qaeda threat by Clinton’s anti-terrorism team during the Bush transition, but that she was given a list of suggested actions to be taken against the bin Laden organization. So, now we know definitively that she lied under oath. (As if it weren’t enough that she had already said under oath that despite reading the briefing document entitled “Bin Laden Determined to Strike Inside the US” she didn’t think it was serious enough to take action on.) Of course, all of this is only coming out now that the election is over and she’s been moved into the role of Secretary of State. I suppose that’s just a coincidence though… The thing that pisses me off is that every Democrat in Congress, I’m sure, suspected that she was lying and/or incompetent before now, but that they still went ahead and let her assume the role of Secretary of State without any serious challenge. Sure, Barbara Boxer, asked some hard questions, but that was about it… In my opinion, it’s inexcusable that our legislators, especially the Democrats, let this happen without a fight. Sure, the fight might have been futile given the Republican majority, but it was still a fight worth having. (Impeachment proceedings, you’ll recall, were started against Clinton when he lied to Congress in a sworn deposition. Of course, that was about the sin of marital infidelity and not national security. Maybe that’s the difference… maybe the defense of marriage is more important than the defense of the U.S.)

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  1. john galt
    Posted February 15, 2005 at 8:22 am | Permalink

    Boy, this one’s a stretch, What exactly is the lie? That someone told her Al-Queda were a threat? Hell I even knew that at the time. So you are saying that she had the vague info that terrorists might try to do something bad and didn’t do enough to couter it, or that terrorists might hijack a plane (hasn’t that been a problem since Yassar Arafat first started doing it). Now lets imagine that before 9/11 the admisitration took any of the steps you now seem to want, the left would go absolutly nuts about civil liberties and such, heck they still do everytime the administration tries to even take a tiny step to increase security (like showing proof of who you are and that you’re a citizen to get a drivers license). Considering that the attacks took place shortly after Bush took office, the bigger question is why didn’t Clinton do anyting? He had the chance twice to arrest Osama but chose not to because of legal reasons, Clintons advisors were the people who were supposedly giving this info to Condi, so why didn’t they do anything the prior eight years. Oh yeah, you can’t impeach a sec. of state.. Read the constitution.

  2. chris
    Posted February 15, 2005 at 10:22 am | Permalink

    Heck? No offense, but wouldn’t you be more comfortable at Willard Scott’s blog site?

  3. W
    Posted February 15, 2005 at 10:35 am | Permalink

    Why, because he speaks his mind? It’s no more spin than the usual Bush hating posts I see here. In fact, his actually has some truth to it. About time someone offers an alternative view to the far left postings here. Don’t try to supress his 1st admendment right to free speech. We’ll call the ACLU on you.

  4. TG
    Posted February 15, 2005 at 10:36 am | Permalink

    First of all, I don’t think Mark said that she should be impeached. He said that Clinton was impeached for lying about something much more minor, a marital indiscretion. Second, I don’t think he said that we could have stopped the September 11 attacks from happening. I believe he just said that she lied about prior knowledge of the threat. It doesn’t seem to me as though he’s said anything inappropriate or uncalled for given the evidence presented. Before Congress Ms. Rice said that she was not told of the significance of the threat. She indeed was. That much is now clear.

  5. Posted February 15, 2005 at 12:48 pm | Permalink

    “Don’t try to supress his 1st admendment right to free speech.”

    That’s quite an accusation to level against chris, can you back that up? How exactly does asking you a question consitute supression of speech exactly?

  6. Dylan Tyner
    Posted February 15, 2005 at 3:19 pm | Permalink

    Now that Mike’s told us all that you’re his coworkers, why don’t you drop all this alias nonsense and start posting under your real names? How about it Mr. Galt, Ms. W? I think that Mike’s setting a great example by only posting under his real name, and I’m sure he’d want his coworkers to do the same. I can’t speak for everyone here, but I’d like to work in a bipartisan fashion to find solutions to the problems that we’re facing as a nation, and I find that difficult to do with this facade. I look forward to meeting you.

  7. Posted February 15, 2005 at 6:36 pm | Permalink

    They are not all my coworkers btw but from what I have seen they are not using multiple aliases (anymore anyway). I don’t expect anyone to use their real names ever since my personal info was posted by mark when he thought I was the only one posting albeit under different aliases. Although mark was incorrect(but won’t admit it), it was a lesson of what he will do when faced with a hostile crowd. Mark is not used to confrontation and when the flames started on both sides, I think he over reacted. Maybe he has rethought this approach, because he actually posted a pretty non biased report the other day and that not really like him when it involves politics. Obviously, the loyal posters here lean left and sometimes to the extreme. I don’t think it’s such a bad idea to have the same from the other side. I don’t think we will ever throw out all the personal attacks when the topics are so emotional and important. But name calling has never stopped me from making a point that’s on topic. Others, want the conservatives banned from this site. I think that kind of thing is the opposite of the kind of thing Mark fight against. Or at least that the impression I get from his words. Actions, on the other hand, say a lot. I give credit to mark for at least bringing them up. One suggestion would to be to have a section where people could make suggestions for topics and others could vote for those topics. When mark feels like writing about something, he could always pick a topic from the bin that seems hot and heavy. However, it’s his site, his dime and his time so whatever he wants to bring up, fine by me. I’ll be here to tell him where he went wrong…..or right…but mostly wrong.

  8. Posted February 15, 2005 at 6:52 pm | Permalink

    I think I can speak for a number of invisible friends when I say that I prefer to debate with individuals whom I respect.

    Mike, I don’t like you or your opinion. I’ll debate your ideas but I do not wish to continue debate with you.

  9. john galt
    Posted February 15, 2005 at 7:08 pm | Permalink

    Steven,

    I would invite you actually debate someone, Your past 8 or so posts debate nothing and only attack the poster, or make some glib remark, maybe you should try attacking grammatical errors, I’ll make sure is mispell something in each post to give you an easy target (you’ll have to spot it though).

  10. mark
    Posted February 15, 2005 at 9:19 pm | Permalink

    One more clarification

  11. Posted February 15, 2005 at 9:55 pm | Permalink

    john/pud/falchion, you dropped the ball on this thread. But forget about it. Speech from the anonymous “characters” is as credible as a speech from under a klansman’s hood.

    You both have the right to speak, but I’m not inclined to listen.

  12. John Galt
    Posted February 15, 2005 at 10:14 pm | Permalink

    Once again steven you have nothing to add. I asked you to debate and instead you attacked me. If your not going to listen to me then just don’t respond.

  13. john galt
    Posted February 15, 2005 at 10:30 pm | Permalink

    Steven,

    Might I add that I am not the one who, when given the chance took the facist position and posted personal information about people you disagreed with. I find the “under a klansman’s hood” comment to be very troublesome.. You are the one who acted in that manner. Maybe some intospection is in order. I also find it troubling that mark lets someone as immature as you go over the logs of visitors. Mark you should have a clearly defined privacy policy. If anyone who posts here is fair game for Steven’s “Investigations” then you should let people know.

  14. chris
    Posted February 15, 2005 at 10:33 pm | Permalink

    Dear Mark, and like minded folk-

    Does anyone have any suggestions as to how to get rid of trolls? I have tried peanut butter and sticky traps but come morning I keep finding their shit in my cookie jar.

  15. john galt
    Posted February 15, 2005 at 10:36 pm | Permalink

    ouch!!! each time we request a discussion, this is what we get.. Who’s the troll?? If you want to close off your blog for just the “chosen” then thats fair, I support your freedom Mark.

  16. Posted February 15, 2005 at 10:38 pm | Permalink

    John, steven has attacked me over and over after I told him how IP addresses work. Then he got all huffy. If you look at his posts, he never adds anything but insults. But remember, we are not conservatives. We are assholes. But don’t name call. It’s their job. It’s coming across to me as bullying though and the concensus from most of the posts I see here anymore is that we can just ignore them, stick to the issues, and pretend they are behind a piece of glass. Let’s move on.

  17. Posted February 15, 2005 at 10:45 pm | Permalink

    It’s public information.

  18. mike
    Posted February 15, 2005 at 10:55 pm | Permalink

    well, actually you gave mark a picture with our email addresses on it displayed itin the main page. Now right in this form it states “your email address will not be displayed on this site.” Hmm, steven. Should we mean that to read “your email adress will not be displayed on this site unless we feel like displaying it in a feature article along with your IP address and personal pictures.”? I really could care less actually. I’m not one to throw a little hissy fit or sue because my feelings were hurt. Now again, you got me off topic. Just needed to clear up another one of your misteps.

  19. john galt
    Posted February 15, 2005 at 11:05 pm | Permalink

    Mike,

    Steven is a facist! Since he cannot coherently argue against your ideals, he seeks to use his “power” (granted to him by Mark apparently) to abuse you. Who’s the real bully here… In posts a few days ago he even threatened leagal action against you.. all because you disagreed with him. If he’s this threatened by someone disagreeing with him on a BB you have to wonder how fragile he is in life.

  20. mike
    Posted February 15, 2005 at 11:15 pm | Permalink

    pretty fragile probably. A lot of them are. But I blame the parents. It’s a tough world out there john. You know it and I know it. But that’s what makes this place we call earth so amazing. Survival of the fittest is my motto. Unless you are not fit and in that case I’ll be your asshole. I’m open for you.

  21. john galt
    Posted February 15, 2005 at 11:21 pm | Permalink

    Given how much homophobia there is on this site, I wouldn’t use the terms open and asshole in the same paragraph. You might excite someone.

  22. brett
    Posted February 15, 2005 at 11:22 pm | Permalink

    Please take a moment to look at the top of every single page on this site. Unless you’ve got your browser set to not display graphics, you should see something that says ‘For all your mark maynard needs'(The image is lacking alt text, by the way, so i would recommend mark or steven add it, otherwise it’s a known usability issue for blind users with text-to-speech programs, but i digress).

    SO, when it says ‘All your mark maynard needs’, what do you think that means? I’ll tell you. Many people, like myself, have a ‘Mark Maynard Need’, which goes far beyond partisan politics, and involves everything from Jim Jarmusch pooping to heartwarming tales of OCD, John Ritter, and fish-shitting.

    We look at Mark as a rare precious natural resource, not unlike the Spotted Owl. For this reason, we feel that his environment should be preserved. So, when that environment has become polluted with conversation that is NOT debate, but something more akin to monologue, and that monologue is not from mark, we will become irritated- as our Mark Maynard needs are not being met. When the responsible parties also chose to misidentify themselves for the purpose of creating an illusion that someone agrees with them, or that there are greater numbers of posters than in fact are present, we will become further irritated.

    What the final straw is for me personally, though, is when someone tries to actually engage said parties in discussion of the issue, only to be patronized with links to conservative websites as evidence, and soundbytes memorized from the Rush Limbaugh show, and THEN to be told that I do not want, or am not capable of engaging in healthy debate.

    That, for me, is when you ‘Jump the shark’. That is when I, myself will move from accurate though colorful euphemisms like ‘money worshipping occultists’ to more colloquial expressions such as the aforementioned “Asshole” (Or ‘Bunghole’, which i prefer).

    You are not generally debating issues. When you do try, you do so very poorly. When you fail to convince someone of your beliefs, or are asked a direct question in response, you exhibit signs of a persecution complex and insist it is the close-mindedness of our political views that is frustrating the debate, when it fact it is your inability to engage in it in the first place.

    But more than all this, and of paramount importance to the whole reason your vindictive jealousy has brought you here and kept you around, is the fact that YOU ARE NO MARK MAYNARD.

    Let me repeat that.

    YOU ARE NO MARK MAYNARD.

    and I for one have no need for you.

  23. mark
    Posted February 15, 2005 at 11:36 pm | Permalink

    You know, it just occurred to me that Mike might be good for this site in that he’s brings the rest of us together. I was so busy focusing on the fact that he’s a prick that I didn’t notice that the glass is indeed half full.

    Thank you, Mike.

    And thank you, Brett, for chaining yourself to a tree in the habitat of the endangered Maynard.

  24. Posted February 15, 2005 at 11:38 pm | Permalink

    You’re right I’m a fascist. Enjoy yourself.

  25. john galt
    Posted February 15, 2005 at 11:39 pm | Permalink

    ok that was nice, sounds like you have some sort of homoerotic fixation on mark which is fine with me…. Anyways where’s the debate? You’re still attacking the posters because you don’t agree with them.. Yes I am not Mark Maynard… If you guys really want Mark Maynard views, then just get him to make this a private forum for his chosen ones. No need to pretend its an open forum if its not. I support your freedom!

  26. mark
    Posted February 15, 2005 at 11:41 pm | Permalink

    Let’s see if we can have a Don’t Feed the Trolls Day here at MM.com tomorrow.

  27. mike
    Posted February 15, 2005 at 11:41 pm | Permalink

    Brett – I think you are wrong. You have used bad words from the the first day I posted and it hasn’t stopped. You are not being patronized but enlightened when I post a link to a conservative site..although I don’t think I have linked to many conservative sites. I also don’t think I have linked to any site that is of topic. If you do not want both sides of the story then you will continue to be misinformed. Like steven though, you do not have to listen or read or respond to my posts. Just hit the down arrow and the next post will be in front of you. But your constant potty mouth and yelling is worrysome. I hope you can take a deep breath and take a look at your self in the mirror. WHere are you now? Are you satisfied with what you done with your life? Do you want to achieve more? DO you want to learn? This little exercise can help you and all the other liberals here that are still wondering why their party is in such a shambles. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer right? Maybe you find the key to winning elections somewhere in one of our posts. What are we doing that the rest of the country likes? What makes us tick? The hatred from your side has to stop or you will go the way of Howard Dean. You not only berate me but anyone from the right. Look at all the posts and all the articles here. All from the far left? Condi’s a Liar, Bush is a moron. Ain’t gonna get you any swing votes my friend. If you want your guys to ‘win’ you have to get votes. This is not the way to do it.

  28. brett
    Posted February 15, 2005 at 11:43 pm | Permalink

    “Anyways where’s the debate? “

    that was my question exactly. please help me find it. i think you’re the one that lost it.

  29. john galt
    Posted February 15, 2005 at 11:44 pm | Permalink

    Oh, just wondering… why is the spotted owl a “precious natural resource”? Do we export them or something? Can you smelt them into oil? Just wondering…

  30. mike
    Posted February 15, 2005 at 11:44 pm | Permalink

    Mark, are you invading my turf agian? You said you wanted traffic . I did my job. Now give me my money and a t-shirt. I can’t keep this fake conservative crap up for much longer.

  31. john galt
    Posted February 15, 2005 at 11:47 pm | Permalink

    Brett,

    I haven’t seen any posts where you have done anything other than denegrade those who disagree with you. So the where’s the debate comment is directed at the fact that you either have nothing to add to the topic, or you’re just a hate filled troll who is trying to prevent us from having a meaningful conversation.

  32. brett
    Posted February 15, 2005 at 11:48 pm | Permalink

    mark- i’m all for a wednesday cessation of feeding. It will toughen’ ’em up a bit.
    I suppose this would start at midnight tonight then?
    In around ten minutes?

    hurry kids!

  33. john galt
    Posted February 15, 2005 at 11:51 pm | Permalink

    What!?!?! I thought I was gonna get a killer crimewave T-Shirt… I’ve spent all this time talking to steven, I deserve something..

  34. john galt
    Posted February 15, 2005 at 11:52 pm | Permalink

    Notice >>>>> Brett has nothing to add. nothing…..

  35. brett
    Posted February 16, 2005 at 12:00 am | Permalink

    another mike and brett q&a

    q-WHere are you now?
    a-sitting at my computer, einstein.

    q-Are you satisfied with what you done with your life?
    a-yes, except for the time i wasted bickering with you in the last four days.

    q-Do you want to achieve more?
    a-is this going to turn into a viagra spam?

    q-DO you want to learn?
    a-yes, sensei. show me the path.

    q-Keep your friends close and your enemies closer right?
    a-i guess, although i don’t think of you as ‘my enemy’, but regardless, don’t stand too close, please.

    q-Maybe you find the key to winning elections somewhere in one of our posts.
    a-maybe i will, mike. But maybe….i already have.

    q-What are we doing that the rest of the country likes?
    a-Dumbing down issues, playing to fears and insecurities, and lying outright, i suppose.

    q-What makes us tick?
    a-money. you worship it. occultist.

  36. john galt
    Posted February 16, 2005 at 12:06 am | Permalink

    ‘Maybe you find the key to winning elections somewhere in one of our posts’

    silly Brett,

    the key was in the goblin stronghold after you defeat the boss mob. You have to have the key of shinning light first.. then you combine it with the right sided key of truth. Then you get the “Election Key” which you use to defeat the Uber mob s0zilizm.

  37. mark
    Posted February 16, 2005 at 12:09 am | Permalink

    It’s midnight. No one speak to Mike (in any of his incarnations).

  38. mike
    Posted February 16, 2005 at 1:18 am | Permalink

    wait, come back. I am now done with my work and I want to play…helllooooo.

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